From the article "It happened so fast that neither woman had time to deploy bear spray initially, Murphy said. Trainor reportedly sprayed the black bear twice, he said, which likely saved her life."
Grizzly bear country and not allowed firearms. Something is wrong with that.
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"ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said."
Some guys I went black bear hunting with in BC had a friend stalked and eaten by a black bear. Could tell from the track that the guy was trying to keep a tree between him and the bear. Didn't work.
Some guys I went black bear hunting with in BC had a friend stalked and eaten by a black bear. Could tell from the track that the guy was trying to keep a tree between him and the bear. Didn't work.
I think when black bears get it on their mind to go after something they are set on it. Friend of mine shot one a couple of years ago while deer hunting in GA. He was in a climbing tree stand bow hunting. Bear saw him and started climbing the tree. He yelled, waved, etc while it was climbing and kicked at it when it got to the bottom on the stand which caused it to go back down the tree. Kept looking at him and started up the tree again so he leaned over the edge of the stand and shot it. He said it was a headache going through the deal with game wardens but they agreed he should have shot it.
"ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said."
A long time back when I worked for ABR, I carried a Garand in the field with me. Whether it would have helped in an instance like this, who knows? But in an instance out in the Endicott field, it worked right well :-)
Interesting in a way. Contradicts(duh) reports it was a grizz and that they were not allowed to carry firearms..
ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said.
Grizzly bear country and not allowed firearms. Something is wrong with that.
Read to the bottom of the article.
ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said.
From the article "It happened so fast that neither woman had time to deploy bear spray initially, Murphy said. Trainor reportedly sprayed the black bear twice, he said, which likely saved her life."
Also from the article, ONE DEAD. Bear continually returned.
Interesting in a way. Contradicts(duh) reports it was a grizz and that they were not allowed to carry firearms..
ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said.
Thats exactly what I said. Early reports said it was a grizzly, and they could not carry firearms.
This report contradicts that, it was a black bear and they could carry firearms.......
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
"Murphy said the bear was 10 feet (3 meters) away when the women first saw it.
“The conclusion would be that they were stalked,” he said.
Trainor, a research biologist, was knocked down first, according to Murphy. The woman used bear deterrent spray at some point to no avail. He didn’t know if Johnson, a biological technician, was able to use her bear spray.
The animal briefly retreated, but it came back, Murphy said.
“The bear moved between them more than once, and Ellen is certain that she sprayed the bear very thoroughly,” he said. “But it was just a hyper-aggressive bear.”
Grizzly bear country and not allowed firearms. Something is wrong with that.
Also from the article
"ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said."
There you go. You can't help anyone who insists on being a sheep.
Interesting in a way. Contradicts(duh) reports it was a grizz and that they were not allowed to carry firearms..
ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said.
Thats exactly what I said. Early reports said it was a grizzly, and they could not carry firearms.
This report contradicts that, it was a black bear and they could carry firearms.......
I've got a question about bear spray....why is it pepper based??? Why not skunk???
I suppose for the same reason it is used as an attractant in trapping lures.
It's offensive to human olfactory senses, but not other animals.
I don't know about that...I know I've used it as a masking scent, but never as an attractant and if it wasn't offensive to other animals, I think skunks would be at least endangered, if not extinct....
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I've got a question about bear spray....why is it pepper based??? Why not skunk???
I suppose for the same reason it is used as an attractant in trapping lures.
It's offensive to human olfactory senses, but not other animals.
I don't know about that...I know I've used it as a masking scent, but never as an attractant and if it wasn't offensive to other animals, I think skunks would be at least endangered, if not extinct....
It's more of a curiosity thing in trapping lures than an attractant. I guess it attracts the curious. Plus it projects itself out there in cold weather.
An important part from the very end of the article:
"As field work is resumed, Pogo Mine will use dedicated bear guards as a standard practice, she said."
This was SOP when my wife did fish work in AK for a Federal agency. At that time, she was trained (such as it was) on operation of Rem870. Rubber bullet, maybe it was two, in the lineup first. Then slugs. One person in crew armed at all times.
Another agency I know of uses magnum rifles, but they're on one of the ABC islands, with big brownies there. Same deal, when in the field. One person armed.
Might have helped if they had been required to carry instead of it being an option. Both being biological types, they have probably seen the research papers that show bear spray works in the majority of incident................... until it doesn't.
Sad story, but they more than likely knew the risks and enjoyed their work. Kinda like folks in other trades, e.g. LEO's, commercial fishermen, and so on.
Geno
PS as to her "reproductive condition" if there's a coroner's inquest it is likely going to be public information for those of you who are really interested. For all we know they may have just eaten breakfast, lunch or a snack. Or the bear saw them bending over taking soil samples and figured them as grazers feeding along.
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After reading the article, I believe I would have carried both spray and a firearm. Here in colorado I carry a 357 magnum for black bears. When in grizzly country I carry a ruger in 454 casull.
Chit happens. Lots of "things" in this - period, effectively nailing the bear with spray, just a determined bear, posture/aggressivness of the victims, etc.
It is my understnding that getting spray into a bear's eyes or nose mucous membranes works. If not, it doesn't. . and there are exceptions, of whitch this may be one.
I prefer aimed lead toa general spray - and i can start from farther awsy than 10 feet..
Not to say i haven't faced down a bear over gun barrel less than 10 feet. I have. He blinked first.
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