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That's why I was wondering how high that tower was. He must have a helluva good scope. Although I can see a boat that far on open water with optics, or without optics if it's big enough. Looking at 2.14 miles of open space blows my mind trying to think about shooting that far. Gotta wonder what that gun is zeroed at.. IIRC on open water, unless you're elevated,, the freakin horizon is 2.9 miles away and this guy was shooting 2.14 miles.......... Simply amazing

Sure it wasn't a 6.5 Creedmoor?

Fburtgx: I just got back from the Hornady site and they show a muzzle velocity for their 750 grain A-MAX bullet from a 50 BMG cartridge as 2,815 F.P.S. - that bullet had a muzzle energy by the way of 13,196 foot/pounds (ouch!)!!!
Then I checked their trajectory chart and that bullet at that speed when sighted in dead on at 200 yards dropped 35 inches out at 500 yards (or 1,500 feet).
I can't even imagine how much drop a 50 BMG projectile would have out at 11,319 feet (or 3,773 yards!)!
Debunking your "4 second" flight time though, the Hornady projectile would HAVE TO MAINTAIN that muzzle velocity from the muzzle then maintain that exact speed all the way out to 2.14 miles or 11,319 feet to get to that distance in 4.0209 seconds!
We both know that bullet can NOT do that speed for 2.14 miles to attain your guesstimate of 4.0209 seconds!
(I figured that out myself with some simple division 11,319' divided by 2,815' per second - resulting in 4.0209 seconds)
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

This goes back a ways,.........and IIRC, Gale McMillan is not actively involved with the current McMillan Tac 50 production,....don't quote me, on that.
I HAVE heard on the Moccasin telegraph that the Raufoss is THE preferred, indeed recommended round for the Canadian Snipers.
'Twas my extreme honor and pleasure to shoot the old DCMR matches at the Old Sarcee Barracks, with the "Princess Pats" when they were stationed there,....late 70's.

The science and application of serious martial rifle shooting seemed to be the very heart and soul of that outfit, from what I saw.
Damned fine men, and a hoot to hoist a couple with after an 88 rounder, or a LEG match,.......after some very basic paperwork, and in possession of one's then pretty NEW "FAC" ( firearms acquisition certificate ) one could show up at the range armory, and for a nominal fee, sign out an FN, and 100 rounds 7.62 X51,.....there were as well some Palma style SMLEs that a die hard bolt gun loonie could glom onto and shoot,......and a coupla' those older boys could really kick azz with em'
Seems like only yesterday,......all of 40+ years ago, now.
How quickly it all changed, eh ?

Anyhoo,......safe bet that the fellow was shooting Raufoss,.....

GTC




From: Gale McMillan <" gale"@mcmfamily.com>
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Raufoss .50BMG
Date: 14 Jul 1997 08:11:43 -0400

Brian Glusing wrote:

# Hi Scott,
#
# I think I can give you the information you're looking for. Raufuss
# ammunition is Swedish if I remember correctly. It's a .50BMG round,
# made with an explosive filler (C-4 I think, but don't quote me). It was
# designed to bring the effectiveness of .50 machineguns up to 20mm
# standards to avoid having to buy a whole new weapon.
#
# I talked to an Army E.O.D. NCO about 1 1/2 years ago at Ft. Dix, NJ.
# He said that he had traded for some Raufuss ammo (.50 bmg) from some
# NATO troopie while deployed to Bosnia. His findings? The stuff was
# EXTREMELY accurate. He loved it. His team was using Barrett M82's with
# Leupold Mk4 M3 scopes to detonate mines. He said making a shot on a 6"
# mine from a couple hundred years with the stuff was like shooting fish
# in a barrel. He loved everything about it, except that he couldn't
# legally bring any back to the US with him.
#
# He also said that he found a 7.62x39 version of the same thing but,
# wasn't terribly impressed. I don't recall how accurate he said it was,
# but it just couldn't carry enough explosive content in a 123 grain
# projectile to do anything devastating. He said hits on a 1/4 plate
# penetrated, but that he had tried 7.62x39 armor piercing ammo that had
# done the same.
#
# I have an article about it somewhere in my incredibly messy
# apartment, and if I can find it in the next couple days, I'll post the
# volume number and title so you can get it. Hope this helps.
#
# #
# # Hi folks,
# #
# # Could anybody give me some info on Raufoss ammunition for the .50BMG?
# # I remember reading something about it but forgot where and what it
# # was. If I remember right its from Europe correct?
# #
# # Any info or help would be greatly appreciated.

The above story isn't just right. the Multi purpose Raufus round is of
Norwegian developed round that has been licensed to Olin to be
manufactured in this country. It is an armor piercing,incenderary,high
explosive round with a high explosive charge of RDX. It is a very
accurate round. The Navy uses it in their 50 cal sniper rifle and when
we made the rifle for them we were required to test each gun with it.
At a cost of $7.50 each we burned up a lot of your tax dollars. The
Santa Barbara head stamp had a problem in that some of the cores would
not rotate with the Jacket and you would get an air burst at about 50
yards that would get your attention.


Link: http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/raufoss.html

Yikes - 2.14 miles!

From the AP newsarticle:

A Canadian sniper has beat the record for the longest confirmed kill in military history by picking off an ISIS fighter from a staggering 11,319 feet. The bullet was fired from a McMillan TAC-50 rifle set on a high-rise tower and took 10 seconds to travel the 2.14 miles towards the fighter, who was attacking Iraqi soldiers. This smashed the last record set by a Briton Craig Harrison, who killed a Taliban soldier with a 338 Lapua Magnum rifle at a range of 8,120 feet(1.54 miles) in 2009. A military source told The Globe and Mail the kill was verified by video,

OMG!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Gale died some years ago. Rock and his brother ran the business for years but now I believe It's out of their hands.

Shooting over extreme distances at a living target which has the possibility of moving out of the cross-hairs at any fraction of a second between when the trigger is pulled and the bullet arrives seems to me would as unpredictable therefore involve some degree of luck as much anything.

Jeff do you follow the KO2M matches? They start on the 27th I believe. Those guys are doing some amazing shooting at extreme long ranges...

Had not heard of them but will have to google if i can remember on Friday a bit... a bit busy here this evening.

Thanks for the heads up!

Just had time finally.. well with Emil coaching wind I dont' think they could have asked for more. Emil is a great shooter and a great coach. Enjoyed my time around him at Perry for more than a few years!!! Just a great guy.


Now for all the SOBs claiming no luck... look the smallest group was 17x22... 17 tall works for a torso, but 22 wide... IIRC, well there is a miss in there... and it was only a 3 shot group.... Just saying... of course a few other shooters here know the luck involved in a first round kill on that shot.

I wonder how long it's going to be until someone claims a kill at 3 miles. I cannot in my mind see a Sniper popping someone off at over two miles. Put an Orange colored ball on the shoulder of a long road, walk two miles away and see if you can see it. Now, you say there are Optics involved. Most Certainly. But the Bullet Drop Compensation would have made it impossible to get a target into view at that distance. It would be in feet, not inches. A .50 cal. Bullet is so heavy that it would have hit the ground long before that distance. Certainly not possible to maintain a ten second flight time. So, as the story get's around, people say, "WOW", or "Isn't that something?". I say BS

But the Bullet Drop Compensation would have made it impossible to get a target into view at that distance. It would be in feet, not inches. A .50 cal. Bullet is so heavy that it would have hit the ground long before that distance. Certainly not possible to maintain a ten second flight time.