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so our law changed this year. 45-70 or 44 mag in a Marlin? which one and why? should I be considering another option? 45 Colt, Model 1892
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Looks like the 450 bushmaster is now legal for Iowa's shotgun seasons, opening the door for a Ruger American. 357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .375 Winchester, .38 Super, .40 S&W, .401 Powermag, 10 mm Auto, .41 Remington Magnum, .41 Action Express, .44 S&W Special, .44 Remington Magnum, .44 Automag, .444 Marlin, .445 Super Mag, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Super Mag, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Silhouette, .450 Bushmaster, .451 Detonics, .454 Casull, .45-70 Govt., .460 Rowland, .460 S&W Mag, .475 Widley Magnum, .475 Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .50 Action Express, .50 Linebaugh, .50 Beowulf and .500 S&W Mag.
Allowable Straight-walled Cartridge Criteria:
■ Center-fired straight-walled rimless cartridges chambered for handgun use with bullets from 0.357” to 0.500” diameter and a case length from 0.850” to 1.800.”
■ Center-fired straight-walled rimmed cartridges chambered for handgun use with bullets from 0.357” to 0.500” diameter with a case length from 1.285” to 1.800.”
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I have a friend who shot a 9 pt buck at 192 yards, measured, with a 44 mag. The buck turned to run away and he raised and shot. He hit it about 2" from his rear end hole, and we found the bullet in the neck. It traveled completely through the deer under the spine. Deer dropped like a freight train hit it. Friends father said, "I don't know how you made that shot". Friend said he aimed about a foot high at the tip of his tail and shot. He knew the bullet would drop. He was only about 16 or 17 at the time. He said, today he would not take that shot, but he wanted a deer really bad.
So yes, a 44 mag can kill out to 150 yards. Might have to aim high at a distance. If you are using a scope, probably sight in about 3-4" high at 100. It would probably be 3-4" low at 150. They make a big hole.
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My Marlin .44 mag shot well, only tried the 240gr Hornady factory ammo in it. No need to try anything else since it was sub 2" w scope (at 100 yds). Was pre Cerberus. Nice gun, just never took a shine to it. ![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgur.com/N2YEFH1.jpg) Hope you have the sense to hang on to that lovely gal!
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Well, I for one am glad a light bulb went on in Des Moines. Part of the reason I've become a libertarian is the proclivity for state legislatures made up of average people who then feel compelled to pass laws based on little or bad information, the downstream effects of which they have no idea of.
I will be caring and hopefully using a Marlin JM 44 mag, vintage of around the latter part of the Decade of Bad Taste (the 70's for you of more tender years). It'll have a small Burris red dot on it.
Ammo/bullet as yet to be determined.
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My Marlin .44 mag shot well, only tried the 240gr Hornady factory ammo in it. No need to try anything else since it was sub 2" w scope (at 100 yds). Was pre Cerberus. Nice gun, just never took a shine to it. Hope you have the sense to hang on to that lovely gal! She's put on a few #s since then. If I win the lottery I can get her a tummy tuck, face lift, boob job, brain transplant and tape hundred dollar bills all over her, drop her off downtown............and if lucky some blind deaf old moron will take her off my hands. My next gal will be younger, have big t*ts and a couple hundred acres of good hunting ground. Couple buddies lost their hunting spots. Just trying to help 'em out. Deer season around the corner............no time for women stuff.. Surprised she went to LGS and bought a semi auto .22.................figured she'd get a 39M...............was rather honked I sold one yrs ago.
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Has said she might even deer hunt.............WTH? I reckon specials in a .44 magnum..............proly end up with .357 rifle.
Who freakin' knows..............women do whatever the heck they want.
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I've not messed with .45-70.
Couple buds had Marlins and Ruger #1's.
Was looking at a #1 in .460 S&W...........but never found one.
Our (Indiana) PCR regs have no straight wall mandate.
Used to be 1.16- 1.625 case length, .35 cal and up.
They changed a while back to max of 1.8"............so the .460 would be legal, and one could trim a .35 rem to fit.
The latter quite popular.
Can only run PCR stuff (plus MZ shotgun and handgun) on public land.
Private they changed last yr, to include "regular" rifles.
Some .44 Marlins showing up at LGS.........they don't last long. Even with the reg change, folks on private ground usually do well with .44 mags.......pretty comfy. For most of our deer hunting, shots tend to be 150 yards and in.
How does the .460 S&W stack up against the .45-70?
Fair number of folks running .450 Bushmaster.
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so our law changed this year. 45-70 or 44 mag in a Marlin? which one and why? should I be considering another option? I'm in Iowa here as well. Same decision, though mine was easy. I have a Marlin 94 in 44 magnum that since moving back home from MN I have been unable to use. So for me its .44 mag, but that fits where we hunt very well. More gun is just more gun. You take an ethical shot with a 44 and there aren't many deer in the world if any, that will survive. 45-70? Not a thing wrong with that either.
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For most of us, the issue really isn't cartridge..........but what cool gun can we use  Looks may be an important factor. My buddy likes the short Trapper W 94. I find them hideous. I like falling blocks, guy at work thinks them grotesque (and worthless, being single shot). To each his own. Going for funky looks............how bout the new Ruger American in .450 BM? Magul stock fit it? If so, add a Tacticool 1-4X Gotta admit..........that one has my curiosity.
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Both will work. The 44 would be more fun to shot due to lack of recoil.
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Just tossing it out there................
nobody makes a .44 magnum double rifle.
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Deer season around the corner............no time for women stuff..
Always time for women stuff.
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My sentence was commuted.
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I'm drinking Trooper ale and looking at Gunbroker. Skankajawea has QVC on.
Doesn't bother me.
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I'm drinking Trooper ale and looking at Gunbroker. Skankajawea has QVC on.
Doesn't bother me.
Pretty much tune the chickens out.
You're pretty hard on that Gal. Didn't look to be anything wrong with her in that picture.
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Agreed. I mean, she's not Chinese, but otherwise seems like a fine woman, certainly better than a certain old fart probably deserves.😜
Serious thread drift in progress.
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Yrs ago I paid a lot of money to earn the right to not give a chit LOL.
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Owes me a gun safe full of goodies. I'd take a .44 mag or .45-70 as a starter. Thread back on track But seriously.............anybody ever use a .45-70 double? There's the Baikal and Kodiak stuff. Passed on a Kodiak .50 cal MZ yrs ago and kinda regret it. Have been thinking of the Baikal .30-06 double. Also thought about maybe getting a Savage 311 and redoing it to .44 mag. Silly, but a .44 mag double for in the woods..........intrigues me. Could just down load a .45-70 Baikal double...........but I never warmed up to that cartridge. Pops loves it. Buddies too. Just never liked the looks of it. Crazy.............but is what it is.
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