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Took the .460 out this morning to try Var-Get and the 500 grain Hornady's. This is the best group,it's 95.0 grs Var-Get,Fed 215 primer. The average is 2309 fps. These last two pics are from using 97.0 grains Var-Get. That is from the bolt knob hitting my finger from the recoil.
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Yup,along with cape buffalo and jackrabbits.
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Looks like you're scared of your rifle. A 5 yard group should be one hole. 😉
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Yup,along with cape buffalo and jackrabbits. Perfect, bet you cant wait to center the sights on an Elephants head.
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The 460 is a great cartridge to load with 600gr bullets. Since you don't need the 2,600 fps velocity, up the bullet weight at about 2,200-2,300 fps. It slows the recoil velocity and helps with straight-line penetration.
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Cannot find any 600 grain Barnes right now. Although Woodleigh makes a 550 grain bullet.
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Damn, I used to have boxes of them. Sold them a year or so ago :-(
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Yup,along with cape buffalo and jackrabbits. Perfect, bet you cant wait to center the sights on an Elephants head. Yup!
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The .460 Weatherby is the most powerful varmint rifle devised and very considerably, sub MOA, is ho hum, with loads the rifle likes.
NOTE SOME ADI POWDERS AR 2207 = H 4198 AR 2208 = VARGET AR 2206 = H 4895 ("Ish" as there are now variants) AR 2209 = H 4350 AR 2213 = H 4831
450gn Barnes TSX 110gn IMR 4350 2408 5795 115gn IMR 4350 2527 6382 117gn IMR 4350 2575 6627 119gn IMR 4350 2627 6897 Compressed load 500gn Barnes TSX 110gn IMR 4350 2433 6574 112gn IMR 4350 2483 6847 .456" Great load 115gn IMR 4350 2543 7182 Very heavily compressed 500gn Hornady RN 115gn IMR 4350 2500 6941 .5 MOA Max velocity for this bullet 120gn IMR 4350 2600 7507 122gn IMR 4350 2642 7752 Bullet not strong enough 104gn Rel 15 2398 108.5gn Rel 15 2512 7008 85gn IMR 4064 2028 4567 87gn IMR 4064 2100 4897 104gn AR 2208 2400 6397 94gn AR 2206 2300 5875 115gn WIN 760 2450 6666 Very accurate .5 MOA for 3 shots 115gn AR 2209 2500 6941 .5 MOA 115gn Rel 19 2500 6941 115gn IMR 4831 2500 6941 75gn AR 2207 2000 4442 500gn Swift A-Frama 122gn IMR 4350 2660 7858 Same POI as 500gn Hornady 123gn IMR 4350 2678 7964 550gn Woodleigh Weldcore 110gn IMR 4350 2356 6769 115gn IMR 4350 2382 6931 117gn IMR 4350 2471 7459 Warm Load 117gn WIN 760 2383 6939 120gn WIN 760 2393 122gn WIN 760 2460 Warm Load 117gn AR 2209 2439 119gn AR 2209 2457 119gn IMR 4831 2464 121gn IMR 4831 2509 7690 121gn AR 2213 2422 123gn AR 2213 2459 115gn WMR 2138 118gn WMR 2162 120gn WMR 2179 122gn WMR 2243 6146 600gn Barnes RN 120gn AR 2213 2346 122gn AR 2213 2389 118gn IMR 4831 2392 120gn IMR 4831 2453 8019 Warm Load 114gn IMR 4350 2418 116gn IMR 4350 2460 8064
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Yup,along with cape buffalo and jackrabbits. Perfect, bet you cant wait to center the sights on an Elephants head. Yup! Cant wait to see the pics and read your hunt report.
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I cut some material off my MkV bolt knob, the part that hit my finger when shooting off the bench. I cold blued it; it works and looks great. You can't see any difference from the side.
If PB hadn't gone bunkers, I'd post a picture. The round part of the bolt knob that used to touch my finger is now flat, giving a quarter inch of so more clearance, bolt knob/finger.
That wouldn't be a bad idea on a big boomer like yours.
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Cannot find any 600 grain Barnes right now. Although Woodleigh makes a 550 grain bullet. I may have 50 to 100 of these, let me check.
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DF,paid $2100 for the rifle and I'm not about to mess with the bolt knob. Besides,the bolt knob is checkered,as this is a Weatherby Custom. If I keep the velocity @ 2300 or less the bolt does not hit my finger. Besides a 500 gr .458 @ 2300 fps will kill any bunny rabbit around here.
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Cannot find any 600 grain Barnes right now. Although Woodleigh makes a 550 grain bullet. I may have 50 to 100 of these, let me check. The Barnes or the Woodleigh?
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DF,paid $2100 for the rifle and I'm not about to mess with the bolt knob. Besides,the bolt knob is checkered,as this is a Weatherby Custom. If I keep the velocity @ 2300 or less the bolt does not hit my finger. I would just go to the feed store and get a new pair of deerskin work gloves. Cut about 1/2" or 3/4" off of the index finger--enough to allow full contact of the last joint of your index finger on the trigger.
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Heck, if you're gonna shoot a 460, you might as well move on up to the 50 BMG!
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Ken,
I cut some material off my MkV bolt knob, the part that hit my finger when shooting off the bench. I cold blued it; it works and looks great. You can't see any difference from the side.
If PB hadn't gone bunkers, I'd post a picture. The round part of the bolt knob that used to touch my finger is now flat, giving a quarter inch of so more clearance, bolt knob/finger.
That wouldn't be a bad idea on a big boomer like yours.
DF Ken, I looked for this photo on my hard drive. Didn't find it, downloaded it to my computer from PB, uploaded it on Imgur and downloaded it here. It's been around... This is how I modified my MkV. Works great. DF http://imgur.com/a/292BE
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I tried to get it to do that.
What did I miss?
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Sorry to disagree with some of the boys, trying for Thor's hammer on a elephant, bullying up on heavy bullets ain't gonna get the job done. At this point in horsepower you have to increase frontal diameter. I have been there, done that. A 458 Win with a 400 gr solid humming along is gonna hit HARD! Now not as hard as a 600 gr, but all this is semantics. You wanna crush a jumbo?, well DIAMETER in conjunction with weight of a premium bullet is what gets it done. I've have seen 458 mag vs Lott vs 460 Weatherby and they were so damn close(except on the shooters shoulder) to not make much of a difference. I got myself a Searcy 500 nitro DB because I wanted a true dinosaur crusher that wasn't gonna crush my shoulder. And honestly, the 500 with slower velocity and weaker Foot pounds I feel was a better ele gun.yeah I want a 460 Weatherby. Shoot rabbits or boulders. I would never even want to shoot the 416 Weatherby. A nightmare. Heard the 378 is a beast as well.
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DF,paid $2100 for the rifle and I'm not about to mess with the bolt knob. Besides,the bolt knob is checkered,as this is a Weatherby Custom. If I keep the velocity @ 2300 or less the bolt does not hit my finger. I would just go to the feed store and get a new pair of deerskin work gloves. Cut about 1/2" or 3/4" off of the index finger--enough to allow full contact of the last joint of your index finger on the trigger. Ben,I tried a weightlifters glove when shooting the .460. When shooting factory ammo,it did not help at all. Don't wear a glove now because it's slow down enough where it does not hit my finger.
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Sorry to disagree with some of the boys, trying for Thor's hammer on a elephant, bullying up on heavy bullets ain't gonna get the job done. At this point in horsepower you have to increase frontal diameter. I have been there, done that. A 458 Win with a 400 gr solid humming along is gonna hit HARD! Now not as hard as a 600 gr, but all this is semantics. You wanna crush a jumbo?, well DIAMETER in conjunction with weight of a premium bullet is what gets it done. I've have seen 458 mag vs Lott vs 460 Weatherby and they were so damn close(except on the shooters shoulder) to not make much of a difference. I got myself a Searcy 500 nitro DB because I wanted a true dinosaur crusher that wasn't gonna crush my shoulder. And honestly, the 500 with slower velocity and weaker Foot pounds I feel was a better ele gun.yeah I want a 460 Weatherby. Shoot rabbits or boulders. I would never even want to shoot the 416 Weatherby. A nightmare. Heard the 378 is a beast as well. A .416 Wby can be loaded to equal the .416 Rigby,since the Wby is a Rigby case with a belt and different shoulder. Will shoot a .378 Wby..... once or maybe twice.
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Me just being me, I would love to own a 416 Rigby. The 416 Weatherby, ehh, nah.. And the 416 Rem? Well that's like your ugly scrawny step sister that is the last one taken at the dance. Will get the job done but nothing to write home about. Now as for a PH? Yes the Rem is great! Cheaper, lighter, easier on the ammo. But I am not a PH. Just a dude that loves artillery and hunting. GB has a 378 that a few days ago was tempting, but now knuckleheads are in a bidding war.
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I get a headache just reading this thread. I had to stop at a warmly loaded 416 Rigby. Do not have any desire to go to more recoil. One's gotta know their limits.
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You left out the image tags. Thanks, Will check it out. I appreciate Ken not wanting to whittle on his Wby, that would hurt the value. I wasn't worried about mine. I do think my MkV bolt knob looks better than his bloody finger... The glove may be the answer. Or, maybe he's too big a Wuss to shoot such a big boomer... I know I went to meddling, bringing that up... I really didn't mean it, Ken... I take it back... DF
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Sorry to disagree with some of the boys, trying for Thor's hammer on a elephant, bullying up on heavy bullets ain't gonna get the job done. At this point in horsepower you have to increase frontal diameter. I have been there, done that. A 458 Win with a 400 gr solid humming along is gonna hit HARD! Now not as hard as a 600 gr, but all this is semantics. You wanna crush a jumbo?, well DIAMETER in conjunction with weight of a premium bullet is what gets it done. I've have seen 458 mag vs Lott vs 460 Weatherby and they were so damn close(except on the shooters shoulder) to not make much of a difference. I got myself a Searcy 500 nitro DB because I wanted a true dinosaur crusher that wasn't gonna crush my shoulder. And honestly, the 500 with slower velocity and weaker Foot pounds I feel was a better ele gun.yeah I want a 460 Weatherby. Shoot rabbits or boulders. I would never even want to shoot the 416 Weatherby. A nightmare. Heard the 378 is a beast as well. Yep, I like the way the 500 NE handles and shoots. DB's are cool, have lots of class. The old timers liked big slugs at around 2,150 to 2,250, IIRC. That speed seems to do well with the right slug, big whallop and manageable recoil. Hi vel proponents want to push big slugs to 2,500-2,550fps. I don't know if they kill better, would probably be better at longer range, but how far are most elephants, buff, etc., killed? And, a big slug at 2,500 fps will rattle yo teeth... Sometimes it pays to go back and see how the old time hunters did their thing. They seemed to bag a lot of game. Df
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You left out the image tags. Thanks, Will check it out. I appreciate Ken not wanting to whittle on his Wby, that would hurt the value. I wasn't worried about mine. I do think my MkV bolt knob looks better than his bloody finger... The glove may be the answer. Or, maybe he's too big a Wuss to shoot such a big boomer... I know I went to meddling, bringing that up... I really didn't mean it, Ken... I take it back... DF That "bloody finger" is child's play compared to what .460 Wby factory ammo done to my finger. Just imagine a crater where it is in the pic and lots of blood! Good thing you took it back,otherwise I would have gone to bed and cried myself to sleep.
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Quite yer whining!! You got 9 more fingers. Plenty to go around. Somebody should do a thread on photos of the crescent moon forehead recoil club. I wear glasses so I've never really been bloodied. Just thumped to bejezzus.
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Quite yer whining!! You got 9 more fingers. Plenty to go around.. Yeah, for sure. But, that's his booger pulling, trigger finger... Hard to function without that one. And with that checkered Wby Custom bolt knob, the 460 would probably bash the next finger in line. DF
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I need to patent my half moon bolt knob...
Or, Wby and others could configure the bolt knob a bit forward, like the old Oberndorf bolt handles. Those didn't slope back, didn't present a health hazard to the trigger finger.
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RE the bolt, I would not own a rifle that abused me if all it took was a bit of removal and some blueing. They are not works of are, to me anyway, they are tools. Make them work for you not against you.
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RE the bolt, I would not own a rifle that abused me if all it took was a bit of removal and some blueing. They are not works of are, to me anyway, they are tools. Make them work for you not against you. Agree, but understand Elk's dilemma. Carving up that fancy Wby bolt knob may not be a smart move from a value point of view. That is an expensive rifle, worth more than Elk's trigger finger.... Just kidding... DF
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Handling a big rifle is a learning curve and can be fun if the loads are progressively escalated over time. You can load plain old Hornady 300gn bullets intended for the .45/70 to 3000fps+ and recoil can be greatly reduced with faster powders and lighter loads to begin at top end .45/70 velocities and go from there.
Next step would be the 405gn Remington (The 400gn Speer has a jacket too thin for the .460 and bullets can turn into a blue mist after about 2400fps is reached) and then the 350gn Barnes TSX which will take anything in the US and most of Africa. Just as it is not necessary to load a .300 Magnum with 220gn bullets for common usage, it is not necessary to load the heavier bullets in the .460 for everyday use and I thoroughly promote its use as much as possible to maintain familiarity and eliminate the possible apprehension that comes from its use with most people.
The .460 is a tremendously versatile cartridge. When you kill a few animals big enough to stop its bullets, you will see a ballistic thump hard to describe, as it totally numbs them and reduces their interest and concern in you noticeably.
My strongest recommendation would be to ignore the experts, as there really are very few on this planet. The .460 is a very exclusive club divided into 2 groups by those that use it and those that own it. From there one can traverse in either direction.
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RE the bolt, I would not own a rifle that abused me if all it took was a bit of removal and some blueing. They are not works of are, to me anyway, they are tools. Make them work for you not against you. Agree, but understand Elk's dilemma. Carving up that fancy Wby bolt knob may not be a smart move from a value point of view. That is an expensive rifle, worth more than Elk's trigger finger.... Just kidding... DF True,the Wby is worth more than my finger. As far as removing a bit on the bolt,umm no . I can and do load this rifle to were it does not hit my finger. As mentioned above 2300 fps or lower (500 grain bullet) the bolt knob does not hit my finger. Keep in mind that a 500 grain bullet going 2300 fps,is duplicating the .458 Lott but with lower pressures. Like AGW said in the above post,the .460 is a versatile cartridge. I just need for some big critters to escape the zoo or circus.
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Quite yer whining!! You got 9 more fingers. Plenty to go around. Somebody should do a thread on photos of the crescent moon forehead recoil club. I wear glasses so I've never really been bloodied. Just thumped to bejezzus. I have,by a .338 Win and a POS Tasco! Bled like a stuck pig! Not to long after that,bought my first Leupold. And I have been wearing glasses since I was in the 3rd grade.
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I never cared or the 460 wby. It seemed like just another big and fast for no good reason and the guns were too space gun modern. But, now I can see with reloads the 460wby can be setup for anywhere from 458 win mag or 458 Lott loads up to crazy if wanted. I was reading the 450 Rigby has gained a small following that is pretty much a beltless version of the 460 in a low pressure loading. Today the whole Weatherby family is classic. Even though the gun style was not my taste, I still own a XXII and as far as I can tell, there is no better semi 22 made today.
There is still one remaining practical down side. The 460 is (or was) only able to hold 2 rounds in the magazine, where a magnum Mauser like the Brno or CZ will hold 5 Lotts.
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RE the bolt, I would not own a rifle that abused me if all it took was a bit of removal and some blueing. They are not works of are, to me anyway, they are tools. Make them work for you not against you. Agree, but understand Elk's dilemma. Carving up that fancy Wby bolt knob may not be a smart move from a value point of view. That is an expensive rifle, worth more than Elk's trigger finger.... Just kidding... DF True,the Wby is worth more than my finger. As far as removing a bit on the bolt,umm no . I can and do load this rifle to were it does not hit my finger. As mentioned above 2300 fps or lower (500 grain bullet) the bolt knob does not hit my finger. Keep in mind that a 500 grain bullet going 2300 fps,is duplicating the .458 Lott but with lower pressures. Like AGW said in the above post,the .460 is a versatile cartridge. I just need for some big critters to escape the zoo or circus. Back in the day, when I was young and brash, I was pushing my .45-70 to the max. I had a Redfield Fullfield scope, mounted a bit rearward, was pushing 300 gr. bullets at 2,000 fps. That scope split my eyebrow, had to get my partner to stitch it up. I found that 300 gr. bullets at 1,800 fps would kill just as well and kick less. That extra velocity may help at LR, but the .45-70, the way I'm using it, isn't a LR round. I know, I know, those ole Sharps with tall tang sights can reach way out there, but that's another story. If you're gonna shoot a big boomer like the .460, loading it to the occasion is the only way to go. Even a light load will over penetrate those NM jackwabbits... DF
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DF,I figure using one load for rabbits to cape buffalo. Elephant,well that's a different matter,solids only and right now just cannot see myself shooting a rabbit with a solid. Fourbore,I once owned a CZ .416 Rigby and it held 4 rounds,three in the magazine and one in the chamber. My .460 is two in the magazine and one in the chamber. Place the first shot correctly,no need for the others,but muck it up...... Forbore,this is how I practice with my .460 Wby.
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Did you get an exit? Those jackrabbits can run off into the pucker brush, I want mine DRT!!
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Shot appears to be about 1/6 inch low on the shoulder. What if that was a charging Jack-A-Lope?
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Regarding magazine capacity.............. 2 things, firstly, you can purchase the extended magazine from Weatherby as used on the DGR rifle. I put one on my .460 and is is a simple floor plate change and ups the capacity to 4 rounds total.
Secondly, the .460 is powerful beyond what can be stated in words, so it hard to convey to a reader. The .460 absolutely numbs big animals cold and there is no capability of reaction (talking bovines here) or drops them cold. If you can recall the greatest hangover you ever had, with gut wrenching stomach pain and a migraine to end all migraines, so that when you get out of bed and instinctively bend over, totally incapable of a reactive thought.............that is the reaction you get when the .460 hits home.
If there is a third aspect, it would be the once in a life time incident where any animal on earth "needs" all of the 16 tons of energy from a single rifle without reloading.
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Smokepole,yes it over penetrated. Navlav8r,yup you could if so inclined. Zengela,I would have been chewed up and even possibly gored. AGW,is that extended magazine easy to put in?
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Regarding magazine capacity.............. 2 things, firstly, you can purchase the extended magazine from Weatherby as used on the DGR rifle. I put one on my .460 and is is a simple floor plate change and ups the capacity to 4 rounds total.
Secondly, the .460 is powerful beyond what can be stated in words, so it hard to convey to a reader. The .460 absolutely numbs big animals cold and there is no capability of reaction (talking bovines here) or drops them cold. If you can recall the greatest hangover you ever had, with gut wrenching stomach pain and a migraine to end all migraines, so that when you get out of bed and instinctively bend over, totally incapable of a reactive thought.............that is the reaction you get when the .460 hits home.
If there is a third aspect, it would be the once in a life time incident where any animal on earth "needs" all of the 16 tons of energy from a single rifle without reloading. Sorry, I just can't go with those 16 tons of energy. Wasted. Mostly on the shoulder. The rest?, on ego? Back in the 90's when I started with the whole buff/ele hunting saga,I was enamored with the Lott. THATS what a cool Zim PH had. In a BRNO or such. They were old school and some were leary of the Win mag still. My old Buddy said the 458 win mag was good for plains game!. This was when very few 416 were used(pro or client), doubles were still a only very,very rich option-pre Searcy, Kreigoff etc...I did a good bit of cheap hunting on farms/locals permits. Not the big dollar bona fide safari operations gig. Saw a few jumbo and quite a few buff taken with 458 Win mag and Lott. This was when they still were liking A-SQUARE factory loads(NOT!!! Lion loads). Saw a no BS Texas heart shot on a Gwai Zim area jumbo bull with a 460 Weatherby factory load I believe, and it was stuck in his head. That's gotta be about 12 feet or so of penetration on an angling shot. I took my last ele with a 500 NE 570gr Woodleigh Kynoch factory load and it performed better than any 460 I can figure. With less fps and foot pounds of energy. My old friend Tony Sanchez Arino turned me on to the 500. He was the last of the true elephant hunters. Never a Weatherby guy. We talked about the "threshold" of power that is needed for elephant. We are both tall big guys and can take a bit of a thumping(I actually like recoil, up to a point). He can take way more than me. I max out at 500 NE levels. Can't do 577 or the different 500 bolt guns. He stated, and I believe him, that those Weatherby big boomers are not doing it properly. Now, I am a lefty and love the Mark five action. Would love a 460. Would hand load it to a tad under Lott specs. A peep sight and a refinished deep satin oil finish cause those Mark 5 are just too glossy for my tastes, and I now wanna go hunt elephant again!! Thanks guys. I'm eyeing a rifle on GB that I want and now I want to get bit by tseste flies and hunt jumbo again.
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Zengela:
Totally agree with your post. There is a point of diminishing returns.
I hunt with a .470 N.E and a .416 Rigby. Never saw the need for anything more.
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Ya really don't need that 416. Maybe better to loan it to me for.. Oh say? 10-15 years.
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Regarding magazine capacity.............. 2 things, firstly, you can purchase the extended magazine from Weatherby as used on the DGR rifle. I put one on my .460 and is is a simple floor plate change and ups the capacity to 4 rounds total.
I did not know that. And its that easy an upgrade. I mean no 3rd party hassle. That is same as Model 70 belted magnums and checking on the cz website, I can confirm the rigby is also 3 down. Given the similarity between the rigby and 460 Wby, Yet Wby went 2 rounds single stack. I was told on another forum this was due to the belt and slight rebate. That is fine with me, I take 100% reliable single stack over a possible problem. That and the above floor plate. I also wondering if the 460 is proprietary (or still protected after all these years?) and limits who can build a gun? I see, CZ has chambered the 550 magnum for a very wide range of calibers. Including 505 Gibbs, no 460.
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Fourbore,you can get a .460 Wby from MRC for $2000. Jamision/Captech,Norma and Weatherby make the brass. http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=184
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Get a firm grip on the stock and don't simply let ones trigger hand float.
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RE the bolt, I would not own a rifle that abused me if all it took was a bit of removal and some blueing. They are not works of are, to me anyway, they are tools. Make them work for you not against you. Agree, but understand Elk's dilemma. Carving up that fancy Wby bolt knob may not be a smart move from a value point of view. That is an expensive rifle, worth more than Elk's trigger finger.... Just kidding... DF True,the Wby is worth more than my finger. As far as removing a bit on the bolt,umm no . I can and do load this rifle to were it does not hit my finger. As mentioned above 2300 fps or lower (500 grain bullet) the bolt knob does not hit my finger. Keep in mind that a 500 grain bullet going 2300 fps,is duplicating the .458 Lott but with lower pressures. (sic): True, but it's burning almost 20 grs more powder to do so and needless to say that extra powder is adding a significant amount of recoil because those ~20 grs of hot gas are leaving the barrel at ~4000 fps. Load the gun how you shoot it best, 500 gr @ 2100 fps will take any critter alive, and there is no benefit in beating yourself up. I also agree in modifying the bolt so that it doesn't draw blood. I won't abide a gun that will hurt me and will do what it takes to make the gun functional value be damned. Big bore bolts should have no sweep back or dogleg and should be smooth. Checkering has it's place, but the bolt knob on a 460 W is assuredly not the place!
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Get a firm grip on the stock and don't simply let ones trigger hand float. The only thing I let float on big bores in my trigger finger, everything else is buried hard on the stocks, my 505 Gibbs actually has whisker burns on the side of the buttstock from my face.
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Took the .460 out this morning..... 4 shots,with an obvious flyer. 95.0 gr Var-Get,Fed 215 mag primer,500 gr Hornady DGX. It averaged 2324 fps,so with the other average of 2309 fps,the overall average is 2316 fps. Now,time to practice!
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If you can recall the greatest hangover you ever had, with gut wrenching stomach pain and a migraine to end all migraines, so that when you get out of bed and instinctively bend over, totally incapable of a reactive thought.............that is the reaction you get when the .460 hits home. On the game, or your shoulder? (I know what you really meant. )
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Ken, That 3 shot cluster is "usual" accuracy based on my experience with the .460. The load also usually shoots tighter than that when the load is 115gn of either H 4350, IMR 4350 or 760 but the older 500gn Hornady RNSP I used was not a good penetrator at the 2500fps these loads produce. Hopefully the newer Hornady's you are using are better.
Somewhere in my color slides, I have pics of 5 shot groups shooting .6 MOA I recommend you also try some 400gn Woodleigh Spire Points as they shoot very well. John
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AGW,I may try the 400 gr Woodleigh,but for now the 500 gr Hornady is the "cats meow." Do have some 600 gr Barnes solids coming in.
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AGW,I may try the 400 gr Woodleigh,but for now the 500 gr Hornady is the "cats meow." Do have some 600 gr Barnes solids coming in. Ken, Just an FYI, in my own .460, I found the 500gn Hornady and the 500gn Swift A-Frame shot to the same group. This is very handy when sighting in with the Hornady's to save the expensive Swift's for big game. My rifle had a sweet spot with 500 grainer's using 115gn of 4350, both IMR and H for a velocity right on 2500fps. You will note from my data above, I loaded the Swift up to 123 grains for the factory spec of 2700fps and the magic 8000 FPE. I would trust the Swift at that velocity but not the Hornady which failed to penetrate, meaning enter a scrub bulls rib cage for me, even when loaded to the accurate 2500fps. I slammed one into a bull's shoulder from about 70 yards and the bullet fully expanded and was found in the membrane between the shoulder and rib cage meaning, not a single organ was damaged by that bullet with a direct square on hit. They were fun on feral game however that was mostly deer sized and also up to wild horses which we called "Brumbies". I shot quite a few of those with the .460. Regarding the extended magazine for the Mark V, it is a straight replacement. Unscrew the old and bolt up the new. It comes with its own magazine spring and floor plate. Hope this helps. John
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AGW,I may try the 400 gr Woodleigh,but for now the 500 gr Hornady is the "cats meow." Do have some 600 gr Barnes solids coming in. Ken, Just an FYI, in my own .460, I found the 500gn Hornady and the 500gn Swift A-Frame shot to the same group. This is very handy when sighting in with the Hornady's to save the expensive Swift's for big game. My rifle had a sweet spot with 500 grainer's using 115gn of 4350, both IMR and H for a velocity right on 2500fps. You will note from my data above, I loaded the Swift up to 123 grains for the factory spec of 2700fps and the magic 8000 FPE. I would trust the Swift at that velocity but not the Hornady which failed to penetrate, meaning enter a scrub bulls rib cage for me, even when loaded to the accurate 2500fps. I slammed one into a bull's shoulder from about 70 yards and the bullet fully expanded and was found in the membrane between the shoulder and rib cage meaning, not a single organ was damaged by that bullet with a direct square on hit. They were fun on feral game however that was mostly deer sized and also up to wild horses which we called "Brumbies". I shot quite a few of those with the .460. Regarding the extended magazine for the Mark V, it is a straight replacement. Unscrew the old and bolt up the new. It comes with its own magazine spring and floor plate. Hope this helps. JohnYes it does! Thank you very much John.
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