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Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
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What happens when both cases are at maximum pressure with an optimized powder choice for each with all else being equal?

About a 150 ft/s advantage for the .280 depending on your exact bullet choice and what powders you consider available.



I'm confused then. I thought you said that the 08- and -06- based cartridges are equal but now one has an advantage?


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Smallest animal (weight wise) I've killed with a .30/06 and 180 grain Nosler Partition.
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But that was 100 years ago Ken.

Can't you read? It's OBSOLETE!



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Originally Posted by GregW
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What happens when both cases are at maximum pressure with an optimized powder choice for each with all else being equal?

About a 150 ft/s advantage for the .280 depending on your exact bullet choice and what powders you consider available.



I'm confused then. I thought you said that the 08- and -06- based cartridges are equal but now one has an advantage?


What I'm really wondering about is the .243 vs. the 6-'06?

Of course, taking into account the shoulder angle, efficiency, powder choice, etc.



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But that was 100 years ago Ken.

Can't you read? It's OBSOLETE!

Yeah,I know. The .30/06 and I had some good times together... R.I.P. .30/06 Springfield.


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Originally Posted by smokepole
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What happens when both cases are at maximum pressure with an optimized powder choice for each with all else being equal?

About a 150 ft/s advantage for the .280 depending on your exact bullet choice and what powders you consider available.



I'm confused then. I thought you said that the 08- and -06- based cartridges are equal but now one has an advantage?


What I'm really wondering about is the .243 vs. the 6-'06?

Of course, taking into account the shoulder angle, efficiency, powder choice, etc.


Of course. And then there is the 35 Whelen, which must be no better than the 358 Win...

And we all know the 257 Roberts, and 25 Souper, are the equal of the 25/06.

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My decision to build a 6.5-06AI instead of a standard 6.5-06 seems wiser all the time. Thank the Lord I didn't saddle myself with a custom rifle using an obsolete cartridge!

Why build a 6.5-06 when a .260 Rem has it all over the 6.5-06 in terms of case design, efficiency, powder choice, etc? What would my girls have thought of me? The shame!!! The horror!!!

Why QuickLOAD , selecting just the .260 Rem, 140g AMAX and Hodgdon H100V powder, suggests a maximum velocity of 3,411fps . That puts even my 6.5-06AI to shame as it can only reach a chrono'd 3075fps with that bullet and powder! Making only one change, to select the 6.5-06 A-Square, the maximum QuickLOAD velocity drops to 2955fps.

I guess Lame_Bob is right - the smaller case dominates.

Either that, or QuickLOAD results need to be taken as less than gospel, as the manufacturer clearly states.


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If llama Bob says its obsolete, it must be so....he seems to be quite the ex-spurt! If only I had had his sage wisdom before I started killing stuff with a .30-06...I would be a better person.


And he would still be a douche.


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Originally Posted by ingwe
If llama Bob says its obsolete, it must be so....he seems to be quite the ex-spurt! If only I had had his sage wisdom before I started killing stuff with a .30-06...I would be a better person.


And he would still be a douche.



Right on sir.

I think I have it figured out though, after "getting to know" this blowhard. He really wants to be the Poobah, but realizes there can be only one Poobah at any given time. He is trying to overwhelm us with his vast knowledge (take that GregW), and get enough sheeple on his side to start a coup.....to become the new Poobah.


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He might be on to something. I dont know about you guys but I'm tired of the same old poobah.

Stunt-shooting, trout-bum ne'er-do-well is all he is.



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HERETIC!


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I can only aspire to be a stuntshooter/trout bum. I'm just jealous.

Next thing, you'll be telling us you train dogs for a living.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
I can only aspire to be a stuntshooter/trout bum. I'm just jealous.

Next thing, you'll be telling us you train dogs for a living.


Not just dogs...but Elite high-performance K9s!


Of course........
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I knew it!!! And I'm stuck working with people. Some guys have all the luck.



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People proclaiming the 30 06 is obsolete will (or already are) be obsolete long long long before the 30 06.

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I've always had one around. Like you I have strayed but always had one and dust it off from time to time. Mine is a Ruger No. 1 that shoots remarkably well with any weight bullet near max. Although my current "go to" is a 280 AI. I hardly find an '06 obsolete.


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I've got two 06's that are identical, Coopers Model 52 with Swarovski scopes. They are my go to rifle for Texas white tail and hogs. Killed three elk and a black bear with them as well. I switch which one I take each time so one doesn't feel discriminated against. The are both sub moa with a shooter better than me and are cheap to shoot with factory loads.

I also have 338 win mag, 308, 243 and 7mm for hunting. I sometimes shoot one of these as the primary just for variety but always have one of my 06's as a back up. To me the 06 is what American Express used to aspire to be, Don't leave home without it!

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Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
Originally Posted by southtexas

One last time: the 06 case has more capacity that the 308 case. Loaded to the same pressures, the 06 has the ability to push the same bullet at a higher velocity.


Your post contains two errors:
1) you ignore efficiency - case capacity is not the only feature of a case
2) .308 has a higher specified pressure than .30-06. They are not loaded to the same pressure.

And an omission: .30-06 is essentially never loaded with top loads, and as a result the loads can be EXACTLY duplicated with a .308. Same bullet, same velocity.


While trying to point out his "two errors, and an omission," you just agreed with his sentence that you quoted.


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Col. Askins said the .30-06 was obsolete in the 1960's😩 I have the article that says so..😀 As. For a .308, 😂🤣🤗


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I think Charlie just liked stirring the pot.


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