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#11419428 - 09/05/16 Re: How strong are modern made steel 1873 copies? [Re: tex_n_cal]  
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I'd never approach Ruger #1 loads with any lever action ever made.


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#11546038 - 11/01/16 Re: How strong are modern made steel 1873 copies? [Re: tex_n_cal]  
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The 92 is a shorter and actually stronger version of the 1886. If you wanted, you could safely run it pretty close to modern bolt gun pressures. I'd be more worried about the brass than the gun. It is strong.

That said, why? But if the point is a hot 45 Colt then get a modern 92.

#12070281 - 06/03/17 Re: How strong are modern made steel 1873 copies? [Re: tex_n_cal]  
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Both Uberti and Winchester chamber their model 73 in .44 Magnum. The modern 73's can handle factory .44 magnum pressures. This is a far cry from black powder .44 wcf pressures.

As for the 73 being a weak design, I think a lot of people just looked at it and thought that looks weak. Actual testing by Winchester on the '76 (same design) showed that they could not destroy a receiver with tremendous amounts of powder and several bullets in the bore. Eventuallu the barrel burst in front of the chamber. The receiver was unharmed, even the smaller pins etc. Testing on a '73 was done, to the point of removing a togg;e link and firin it, and the rifle handled it fine. Removing both toggle links resulted in the action partly opening on firing but no more.
The design itself is stronger than people think.


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#12131085 - 07/06/17 Re: How strong are modern made steel 1873 copies? [Re: tex_n_cal]  
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ES of MD more of the RED PART ...
The Rossi '92 despite not being the finest machined weapon of modern times is really very stout. Rossi produced them in 454 Casul which operates some loads at 60000 PSI. This is the type of pressure seen in things like the WSMs in bolt guns. I dont think they produce them anymore due to company changes. That and recoil in a <5# carbine with a bitty cresent buttplate is really to be experienced. The fierce recoil also causes problems with the magazine tube which is normally held in place by friction and a shallow lot receiving a cross screw and the tip of the cap screw into a dimple in the barrel. Recoil really shakes that apart.
One of these slicked up can be competitive in CAS, but the '73 is still king.


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#12277227 - 09/17/17 Re: How strong are modern made steel 1873 copies? [Re: rogn]  
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Rossi '92's can be a bit rough out of the box.

If I was going to get one, I'd buy it from Steve Jones, the '92 guru. Steve's price is basically wholesale plus his work, which is cheaper than buying the gun, then sending it to him.

One of his '92's is a heap slicker than one out of the box.

The '92, as mentioned earlier, is super strong, thus you see the 454 Casul chambering. That doesn't mean I want to shoot a light weight Rossi '92 with full house Casul loads. Just 'cause it can doen't mean I want to... wink

Steve's link. http://stevesgunz.com/

He did work for me on a 1910 '92. I've seen him at CAS matches.

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