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#12150846 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: MIKEWERNER]  
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Elk outfitter?



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#12150863 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: smokepole]  
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Darn, there really is no getting anything past you.

Originally Posted by smokepole
Elk outfitter?



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#12150904 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: weaselsRus]  
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Whitetail outfitter in Iowa?



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#12150923 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: weaselsRus]  
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#12150944 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Elk outfitter?


Iowa Elk outfitter.
In certain locations Iowa even permits hunting with rifles.

#12150965 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: Alamosa]  
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Yes, we did operate within a couple hundred yards of some trophy elk. Then, Timberghost fortunately moved them. Perhaps Jorge, hatari, or Pugs shot one at the other location.

We've dealt with some real experts over the years. I do see similar personalities in many posts here on the forum.

The January rifle doe-hunts are currently discontinued. Pretty sure we weren't the only complainers to the State concerning early-shedders getting shot in January.

But, you can use some straight-walled cartridges now, passed this year. Can use them during the shotgun seasons even.

Originally Posted by Alamosa
Originally Posted by smokepole
Elk outfitter?


Iowa Elk outfitter.
In certain locations Iowa even permits hunting with rifles.



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#12150983 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: chamois]  
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These things sound magical. All this, without computer programming or anything?

Who is being led to water, again?

Originally Posted by chamois

This has been explained over and over again but sometimes you simply canĀ“t drive a donkey to the water regardless how thirsty he is.

The killing mechanism of the VLD is totally different to other bullets; It will drill the first 2-3 inches of tissue (any tissue, including bone) without any expansion and will then blow up causing massive destruction. If the animal you're shooting is big enough this massive destructions will happen inside the animal and if it is not big enough you will have a horrible exit hole.



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#12150992 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: mathman]  
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Guess I'm guilty of just falling for some fad, preferring heavier constructed bullets for heavier boned game.

Originally Posted by mathman

The problem with Mike's statement and others is Berger VLDs don't act the same as conventional frangible cup and core bullets. They may well not act like some want a bullet to act, but that's a different question.


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#12150996 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: MIKEWERNER]  
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LOL, more like you're a graduate of the Barney Fife guide school. Not just anyone can be a "registered Iowa deer guide." Some of those spreads are literally hundreds of acres,and you have to be able to find the blinds in the dark using only the headlights of the 4-wheeler.

And of course if you "make the grade" you're an expert on western elk hunting too. Who knew?



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#12151027 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: MIKEWERNER]  
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Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
Yes, we did operate within a couple hundred yards of some trophy elk. Then, Timberghost fortunately moved them. Perhaps Jorge or hatari shot one at the other location.

We've dealt with some real experts over the years. I do see similar personalities in many posts here on the forum.

The January rifle doe-hunts are currently discontinued. Pretty sure we weren't the only complainers to the State concerning early-shedders getting shot in January.

But, you can use some straight-walled cartridges now, passed this year. Can use them during the shotgun seasons even.

Originally Posted by Alamosa
Originally Posted by smokepole
Elk outfitter?


Iowa Elk outfitter.
In certain locations Iowa even permits hunting with rifles.



So, doing something or other within a couple hundred yards of a high fence hunt makes you an elk outfitter. OK.

#12151028 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: smokepole]  
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Spoken like a true hunting expert.

Originally Posted by smokepole


LOL, more like you're a graduate of the Barney Fife guide school. Not just anyone can be a "registered Iowa deer guide." Some of those spreads are literally hundreds of acres,and you have to be able to find the blinds in the dark using only the headlights of the 4-wheeler.

And of course if you "make the grade" you're an expert on western elk hunting too. Who knew?


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#12151058 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: Alamosa]  
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If I mention there is another elk farm out in Beaverdale, would you 'knight' me as a master elk guide? The sword has to tap on both shoulders. Flip the sword blade too.

It has to be done by an expert.

Originally Posted by Alamosa
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
Yes, we did operate within a couple hundred yards of some trophy elk. Then, Timberghost fortunately moved them. Perhaps Jorge or hatari shot one at the other location.

We've dealt with some real experts over the years. I do see similar personalities in many posts here on the forum.

The January rifle doe-hunts are currently discontinued. Pretty sure we weren't the only complainers to the State concerning early-shedders getting shot in January.

But, you can use some straight-walled cartridges now, passed this year. Can use them during the shotgun seasons even.

Originally Posted by Alamosa
Originally Posted by smokepole
Elk outfitter?


Iowa Elk outfitter.
In certain locations Iowa even permits hunting with rifles.



So, doing something or other within a couple hundred yards of a high fence hunt makes you an elk outfitter. OK.



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#12151076 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: weaselsRus]  
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Evidently allowing Iowa hunters to use rifles may jeopardize the practice of party hunting (filling someone else's tag).

http://www.iowasportsman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=686047

Nevertheless, even in a state where rifle hunting is extremely limited experts offer the mountain states hunters free advice.

#12151089 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: Alamosa]  
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I thought we were offering opinions. Only experts can offer declarations and advice.

Originally Posted by Alamosa
Evidently allowing Iowa hunters to use rifles may jeopardize the practice of party hunting (filling someone else's tag).

http://www.iowasportsman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=686047

Nevertheless, even in a state where rifle hunting is extremely limited experts offer the mountain states hunters free advice.



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#12151170 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: MIKEWERNER]  
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Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
I thought we were offering opinions.



Opinions are like Iowa deer guides.



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#12151200 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: mathman]  
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Originally Posted by mathman

The problem with Mike's statement and others is Berger VLDs don't act the same as conventional frangible cup and core bullets. They may well not act like some want a bullet to act, but that's a different question.


Agreed. Berger claims they work a certain way and that isn't the way I want my bullets to work. So I don't use them. Couldn't care less what people not in my hunting party use. Whatever lifts their skirt.is OK by me.


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#12151239 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER
I thought we were offering opinions.

Opinions are like Iowa deer guides.


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That's right Mikey, not much gets by me.

Especially a bullsh**er. Of course, that's not to say I'm at the same elite level as a "registered Iowa Guide."

Is it true that some of the places you guide are literally hundreds of acres, with multiple blinds? That must push you to your limits.



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#12151529 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: smokepole]  
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I know, you're 20X the hunting authority because of your 20,000 post count.

Great job. Expert status.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
That's right Mikey, not much gets by me.

Especially a bullsh**er. Of course, that's not to say I'm at the same elite level as a "registered Iowa Guide."

Is it true that some of the places you guide are literally hundreds of acres, with multiple blinds? That must push you to your limits.



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Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER


Great job. Expert status.




LOL, nice try but go back and read the thread mikey. You're the one giving your expert opinion, not me.

The difference between you and me is, I don't run my yap and give opinions on stuff I've never done. Try it some time.



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#12151577 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by MIKEWERNER


Great job. Expert status.




LOL, nice try but go back and read the thread mikey. You're the one giving your expert opinion, not me.

The difference between you and me is, I don't run my yap and give opinions on stuff I've never done. Try it some time.


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#12151618 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: weaselsRus]  
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What you mean huh?

Are you that dense?



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#12151653 - 07/17/17 Re: 7mm 140 Berger Hunting VLD for elk [Re: Alamosa]  
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Originally Posted by Alamosa
Evidently allowing Iowa hunters to use rifles may jeopardize the practice of party hunting (filling someone else's tag).

http://www.iowasportsman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=686047

Nevertheless, even in a state where rifle hunting is extremely limited experts offer the mountain states hunters free advice.


But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express...


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I bet this is doing wonders for his outfitting business.


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