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LOL, more like you're a graduate of the Barney Fife guide school. Not just anyone can be a "registered Iowa deer guide." Some of those spreads are literally hundreds of acres,and you have to be able to find the blinds in the dark using only the headlights of the 4-wheeler. And of course if you "make the grade" you're an expert on western elk hunting too. Who knew?
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Yes, we did operate within a couple hundred yards of some trophy elk. Then, Timberghost fortunately moved them. Perhaps Jorge or hatari shot one at the other location. We've dealt with some real experts over the years. I do see similar personalities in many posts here on the forum. The January rifle doe-hunts are currently discontinued. Pretty sure we weren't the only complainers to the State concerning early-shedders getting shot in January. But, you can use some straight-walled cartridges now, passed this year. Can use them during the shotgun seasons even. Iowa Elk outfitter. In certain locations Iowa even permits hunting with rifles. So, doing something or other within a couple hundred yards of a high fence hunt makes you an elk outfitter. OK.
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Spoken like a true hunting expert.
LOL, more like you're a graduate of the Barney Fife guide school. Not just anyone can be a "registered Iowa deer guide." Some of those spreads are literally hundreds of acres,and you have to be able to find the blinds in the dark using only the headlights of the 4-wheeler.
And of course if you "make the grade" you're an expert on western elk hunting too. Who knew?
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If I mention there is another elk farm out in Beaverdale, would you 'knight' me as a master elk guide? The sword has to tap on both shoulders. Flip the sword blade too. It has to be done by an expert. Yes, we did operate within a couple hundred yards of some trophy elk. Then, Timberghost fortunately moved them. Perhaps Jorge or hatari shot one at the other location. We've dealt with some real experts over the years. I do see similar personalities in many posts here on the forum. The January rifle doe-hunts are currently discontinued. Pretty sure we weren't the only complainers to the State concerning early-shedders getting shot in January. But, you can use some straight-walled cartridges now, passed this year. Can use them during the shotgun seasons even. Iowa Elk outfitter. In certain locations Iowa even permits hunting with rifles. So, doing something or other within a couple hundred yards of a high fence hunt makes you an elk outfitter. OK.
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Evidently allowing Iowa hunters to use rifles may jeopardize the practice of party hunting (filling someone else's tag). http://www.iowasportsman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=686047Nevertheless, even in a state where rifle hunting is extremely limited experts offer the mountain states hunters free advice.
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I thought we were offering opinions. Only experts can offer declarations and advice.
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I thought we were offering opinions.
Opinions are like Iowa deer guides.
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The problem with Mike's statement and others is Berger VLDs don't act the same as conventional frangible cup and core bullets. They may well not act like some want a bullet to act, but that's a different question.
Agreed. Berger claims they work a certain way and that isn't the way I want my bullets to work. So I don't use them. Couldn't care less what people not in my hunting party use. Whatever lifts their skirt.is OK by me.
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I thought we were offering opinions.
Opinions are like Iowa deer guides.
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That's right Mikey, not much gets by me.
Especially a bullsh**er. Of course, that's not to say I'm at the same elite level as a "registered Iowa Guide."
Is it true that some of the places you guide are literally hundreds of acres, with multiple blinds? That must push you to your limits.
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I know, you're 20X the hunting authority because of your 20,000 post count. Great job. Expert status. That's right Mikey, not much gets by me.
Especially a bullsh**er. Of course, that's not to say I'm at the same elite level as a "registered Iowa Guide."
Is it true that some of the places you guide are literally hundreds of acres, with multiple blinds? That must push you to your limits.
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Great job. Expert status.
LOL, nice try but go back and read the thread mikey. You're the one giving your expert opinion, not me. The difference between you and me is, I don't run my yap and give opinions on stuff I've never done. Try it some time.
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Huh?
Great job. Expert status.
LOL, nice try but go back and read the thread mikey. You're the one giving your expert opinion, not me. The difference between you and me is, I don't run my yap and give opinions on stuff I've never done. Try it some time.
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What you mean huh?
Are you that dense?
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But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express...
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I bet this is doing wonders for his outfitting business.
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Good heavens.....can you at least hold off on the ankle biting til we sign off? Shadow expert. I bet this is doing wonders for his outfitting business.
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Key word.....WAS. But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express...
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This has been explained over and over again but sometimes you simply can´t drive a donkey to the water regardless how thirsty he is.
The killing mechanism of the VLD is totally different to other bullets; It will drill the first 2-3 inches of tissue (any tissue, including bone) without any expansion and will then blow up causing massive destruction. If the animal you're shooting is big enough this massive destructions will happen inside the animal and if it is not big enough you will have a horrible exit hole.
I have used them extensively on cull hunts in South Africa and Namibia and know they are efficient killers and this is something unargueable. The proof being in the pudding.
Shooting so many animals, from Springbucks to Zebras with them, I have eventually had one or two do a funny thing inside, though always killing the animal.
If you think you need an exit hole to kill an animal you should use large caliber cartridges loaded with solids.
Or, if you think how well a bullet kills is dependent on the looks of a recovered bullet (VLDs will normally look horrible!) then you should only use low velocity loads with monolithics, partitioned, bonded, etc. bullets. But, but, but....chamois......................that African game is not the same as our ceramic armored kevlar skinned elk ...........................how dare you compare those facts (dead animals) to our internet hunter (hunt and peck) experience......... .......
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Mike is apparently an expert at uploading Barney Fife photos and memes. That much we can give him.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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