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#12143442 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: Sitka deer]  
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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Great, why not look a bit closer at the real problem... I hate price controls and such, but I know a number of docs bringing in obscene money for an ordinary practice. Literally over 2 million for a couple different specialists that are absolutely not workaholics.



They will knowingly bankrupt you with a smile. I give a whole lot of credit to nurses, PA, and nurse practitioners. Most of the docs I know are some greedy folks, who are in it to bill/collect as much as possible.


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#12143583 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: akjeff]  
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Originally Posted by akjeff
Because the nearest competition is in Seattle. The providers can charge whatever the hell they want(and they show no restraint), so you either pay, or go without and die. Simple.

Jeff


this...


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#12143942 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: watch4bear]  
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Living in Alaska off and on for almost 30 years really opens your eyes on how fu*cking liberal/west coast the place is becoming.


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#12144055 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: watch4bear]  
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Only lived here 20 years, but it's only a shadow of it's ruggedly independent past.

While I know most will pile on Anchorage as the scourge, no place has more gimme dat liberals per capita than bush Alaska.


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#12144234 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: Sitka deer]  
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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by akjeff
Because the nearest competition is in Seattle. The providers can charge whatever the hell they want(and they show no restraint), so you either pay, or go without and die. Simple.Jeff

this...

Good to know. Thought it was the shipping.
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#12144268 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: watch4bear]  
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Those 300 dolla flights to seattle can break ya.



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#12144279 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: Steelhead]  
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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Living in Alaska off and on for almost 30 years really opens your eyes on how fu*cking liberal/west coast the place is becoming.

Yup...


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
#12144859 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: watch4bear]  
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#12144877 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: watch4bear]  
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Originally Posted by watch4bear
Those 300 dolla flights to seattle can break ya.


Brilliant response as usual, thanks for being consistent!

Jeff

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The providers can charge whatever the hell they want(and they show no restraint), so you either pay, or go without and die.


even more so than this "poor me" gem? grin



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Yep, consistency is definitely your long suit.

He asked why our health care costs so much more than the rest of the US, and I told him exactly why(please counter my point, as I'd love to hear your argument). Nothing "poor me" about it. It is what it is, and it's a fact....unlike your pointless commentary.

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#12145107 - 07/13/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: watch4bear]  
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There are undoubtedly higher physician and facility costs (look where your at); but to say they can charge whatever they want is silly. Insurance fraud is a crime, and as stated; if a large enough sum can be saved if paying out of pocket, you'll seek services elsewhere, providing you shopped around.

You were right about one thing though; you pay, someone else pays, or you go without and still pay through taxation.



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#12145682 - 07/14/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: Sitka deer]  
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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Living in Alaska off and on for almost 30 years really opens your eyes on how fu*cking liberal/west coast the place is becoming.

Yup...


2008 Alaska I could buy a double macho cappuccino earlier in the morning than I could buy a double bourbon. It sure as hell wasn't that way in 1984.


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#12145729 - 07/14/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: Steelhead]  
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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Living in Alaska off and on for almost 30 years really opens your eyes on how fu*cking liberal/west coast the place is becoming.

Yup...


2008 Alaska I could buy a double macho cappuccino earlier in the morning than I could buy a double bourbon. It sure as hell wasn't that way in 1984.


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#12147121 - 07/14/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: watch4bear]  
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"There are undoubtedly higher physician and facility costs (look where your at); but to say they can charge whatever they want is silly. "

Undoubtedly indeed.Silly, I don't think so. I'll use my recent colonoscopy for an example. When my family Doc did the referral to the "in network" provider that I basically have to use, if I want my health plan to cover(at 80/20); he told me that if my insurance wouldn't cover it, I'd be better off flying to Seattle. In Alaska the procedure is damn near ten grand. In Seattle it's $3K. I'd say that more than tripling the Seattle rate is just a tad greedy. They should have been wearing friggin' ski masks. My out of pocket ended up being over $1700, so not worth flying to Seattle for. Gouging, nonetheless.

Jeff

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I can see 20, maybe 30% higher for AK, but double or triple is insane.

Might explain why the only people I've met in Anchorage with a full time servant are neurologists.


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Real insane.

Our health insurance has a new program for orthopedic surgery. One of my coworkers in Juneau needed a knee replacement. They flew he and his wife(you can designate whoever you want as your assistant) down to Oklahoma City to a top shelf knee specialist(you get to choose from one of three facilities that participate in the plan), paid for the surgery, follow up, their hotel and food for two weeks, and flew them back. No out of pocket, no deductible. Paid for it all. It was $10,000 cheaper than doing it up here.

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#12147978 - 07/15/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: OregonCoot]  
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Is there any state in the union whose inhabitants have their teeth sunk into the government tit more firmly than Alaska?

Can't think who that might be.


True, but Oregon is Kalifornicated. I'd rather live here. smile smile


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#12148027 - 07/15/17 Re: Yippee! We got a bailout from folks who don't live here [Re: 458 Lott]  
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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
I can see 20, maybe 30% higher for AK, but double or triple is insane.

Might explain why the only people I've met in Anchorage with a full time servant are neurologists.

They gotta lotta nerve!


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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
Strange how we wouldn't think of getting something done on our car without a written estimate of parts and labor. But you go in the docs office and have no idea if the bill will be in the 100s, 1000s or more.


Agree on estimates. Even when the bills get in one has no idea....it's all number code, which would be fine with additional language If it was at all patient friendly, the statements would come in with every charge listed in plain English, with recipeints noted, and what was referred to secondary, primary, and not covered. On every statement, even subsequent ones as further charges were paid.

It is not in the medical industry's best interest to allow the sheep to know they are being fleeced.


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Great, why not look a bit closer at the real problem... I hate price controls and such, but I know a number of docs bringing in obscene money for an ordinary practice. Literally over 2 million for a couple different specialists that are absolutely not workaholics.


That's far from the only cause. My father's doctor retired because it was going to cost him about $150K just to digitize his books and records to meet the Obamacare mandates, and he had a relatively small practice. Malpractice insurance is incredibly expensive and the tort system makes doctors order up tons of tests in order to cover their asses. Medical school is so expensive that doctors in their 50s are still paying back their loans. It ain't all Rolexes and BMers. There's a fair number of docs around here that quit their practice to become hospital employees to avoid all that.

Don't know how it works up there, but my doctors agree to accept what the insurance companies pay when they sign on with them (in addition to the copay). If you go outside the network of doctors on your plan, you pay more.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Great, why not look a bit closer at the real problem... I hate price controls and such, but I know a number of docs bringing in obscene money for an ordinary practice. Literally over 2 million for a couple different specialists that are absolutely not workaholics.


That's far from the only cause. My father's doctor retired because it was going to cost him about $150K just to digitize his books and records to meet the Obamacare mandates, and he had a relatively small practice. Malpractice insurance is incredibly expensive and the tort system makes doctors order up tons of tests in order to cover their asses. Medical school is so expensive that doctors in their 50s are still paying back their loans. It ain't all Rolexes and BMers. There's a fair number of docs around here that quit their practice to become hospital employees to avoid all that.

Don't know how it works up there, but my doctors agree to accept what the insurance companies pay when they sign on with them (in addition to the copay). If you go outside the network of doctors on your plan, you pay more.

I wish it was that simple... I have spent many hours in the books and know what it looks like...


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Great, why not look a bit closer at the real problem... I hate price controls and such, but I know a number of docs bringing in obscene money for an ordinary practice. Literally over 2 million for a couple different specialists that are absolutely not workaholics.



Do you know what it takes to become a Dr. that actually makes money.. Its about 12-16 years, once in business massive amounts of insurance ETC.

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Originally Posted by WRO
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Great, why not look a bit closer at the real problem... I hate price controls and such, but I know a number of docs bringing in obscene money for an ordinary practice. Literally over 2 million for a couple different specialists that are absolutely not workaholics.



Do you know what it takes to become a Dr. that actually makes money.. Its about 12-16 years, once in business massive amounts of insurance ETC.

I very much understand how much it takes to become an MD... I also know that outside they are willing to work for a lot less...


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