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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I also have to question birds. I figure that birds will eventually be the death of us.

Can birds, say crows or buzzards, 'carry it', have the spores in their crap from eating infected critters, drop turd in a next door state and now the disease is there?

I have no idea about that, but one would think it's possible, but again I have now idea about CWD.


Steely, the prions that cause the disease are not a living organism (spore, bacteria, or virus). The prions are a form of abnormally folded proteins that cause the disease in the brain. These proteins are stable and can be transmitted from carrion or can remain unchanged on fodder or on the ground.


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While not the sole reason for its spread, the farming of deer to feed the "genetic monster trophy whitetail" mania has certainly contributed to the spread.


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http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/...of-chronic-wasting-disease/#.WW1lyIqQx-0

Feeding in an of itself doesn't seem to be the cause. However, extremely high protein feeding that contains certain animals proteins may be the cause. However, it's here and it doesn't look like you can kill it out.

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We have CWD in colorado too.

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Originally Posted by Prwlr
Originally Posted by Steelhead
I also have to question birds. I figure that birds will eventually be the death of us.

Can birds, say crows or buzzards, 'carry it', have the spores in their crap from eating infected critters, drop turd in a next door state and now the disease is there?

I have no idea about that, but one would think it's possible, but again I have now idea about CWD.


Steely, the prions that cause the disease are not a living organism (spore, bacteria, or virus). The prions are a form of abnormally folded proteins that cause the disease in the brain. These proteins are stable and can be transmitted from carrion or can remain unchanged on fodder or on the ground.



So they can be spread by bird shiet.


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Yes, Mtnsnake we've known that for a while. Not being critical.
CWD is/was in other States BEFORE it was identified here LAST yr. 2016.

Coincidence or not, OUR core area of CWD is focused EXACTLY where Elk FROM
Co. were imported and released.


Originally Posted by milespatton
I hear that the brains in Colorado turned it loose in the wild to see what it did, way back. When we got Elk from them is probably where it came from in Arkansas. Could be from tame deer that people had before that became illegal, but most likely from the elk. miles


Again I'm not being critical NOR blaming Co. for CWD in Ark but it could be that's how it got here.

Also Missouri had CWD before Ark and it COULD have been transplanted here by scavengers??

Oddly again, it's central location is IN the area Elk were imported here from Co.

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I remain convinced that most of the CWD that has cropped up anywhere but in northeastern Colorado or southeastern Wyoming has resulted from the transport and relocation of captive deer and (to a lesser extent) elk.


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Mudhen

I appreciate your participation in this subject. You have posted reports and findings that helped me/us a lot.
There are 2-3 in the past yr. in other threads. They are worth the effort to SEARCH and then follow up.

One I know is CWD Arkansas' First Case, DEER hunting forum, @ March or April 2016
Reference -- mudhen or jwall

For anyone interested.

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Originally Posted by micky
Go check out the Meateater podcast episode 70. It is discussed with people that actually are working on the problem.


^ That. I didn't know much about what makes it different but found that interview very helpful.

Sorry to hear this. I love that area; headed back this November after a great time w/ gophergunner last fall.

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Gophergunner's camp is outside the Disease Management Area. Not by much but it is outside. And the infected deer that have been found are quite a ways away. For now, it's not an issue at camp.

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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
We have CWD in colorado too.

You invented it! grin


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I happened to run into this thread after spending a day last week in Harrisburg learning about Chronic Wasting Disease. It was a long, but worthwhile day. I published my latest newspaper column on what hunters need to learn about CWD, how serious it is, and how they can help combat it. It began in Wyoming back in the 1960s and is spreading across the country in "cervids"—antlered animals including whitetails, mule deer, elk, moose and caribou. It likely came about first in captive deer facilities, but in a way it's too late to blame them because blame can do nothing to rid the landscape of the mischievous prion that causes CWD.

If interested, check out this week's column, "News about CWD—Mostly Bad, Some Good." That link takes you to my blog, and you can click through to the column in the Jamestown (NY) Gazette.

My next column will be sort of a Part 2 on CWD, and I'll write about what could happen if hunters don't work with wildlife managers to combat the disease. If I can remember to do it, I'll post a link to that one too.

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Last season I hunted in a containment area in VA. Since the law forbids moving whole deer from there to my home about 8 miles away in WV, I used a processor in the "zone". They map the kills and send all the heads for testing. They do a good job at a good price and it saves me hunting time, and I don't have to worry (much) about the little nasties being in my burger. The state also has dumpsters for the carcasses of roadkill and home-butchered deer.

I agree with the notion that the spread of CWD was aided by moving game around from place to place and maybe by the use of urine-based scents. Whatever it was, the cat's outa the bag and we've got to deal with it.


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We have it here in Michigan! has been said it came from the deer farms. it dies down then seems to pop up in another area, of the state!


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Funny this thread popped back up today. There was an opinion piece in today's Johnstown paper that basically blamed CWD in Pa. deer farms on CWD in Maryland wild deer and the lack of control efforts by the Pa. Game Commission Excerpt:

Regardless of all the efforts by Pennsylvania deer farmers and the Department of Agriculture to monitor and control CWD in private deer herds, the disease continues to spread in our wild herd, compromising the existence of many private herds in its path.

Full article:

http://www.tribdem.com/news/editori...fa5a394-8c21-11e7-9660-87ca9af66f2c.html


Only when you get to the end of the piece does the author identify himself as the vice president of the Pa. Deer Farmers Assoc. Oh and he conveniently left out two facts 1) Deer farms used to be regulated by the Game Commission but the farmers got it switched to the Ag Dept. because the Game Commission was proposing much more restrictive fencing and 2) the first Pa case of CWD was in a captive herd.

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We had it in IL. It's all over WI. We have it in MO. You either live where you don' t know it's there, it is there, or will be there.

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Very Good Ev D Hunter

I'll try to check that out.

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Originally Posted by mudhen
I remain convinced that most of the CWD that has cropped up anywhere but in northeastern Colorado or southeastern Wyoming has resulted from the transport and relocation of captive deer and (to a lesser extent) elk.


I have NOT checked stats for Ar lately but SO FAR our CWD has remained in a reasonable
locale.

The last I knew we have FAR more Deer identified w/CWD than Elk. That's good ONLY because
we have FAR moe deer than elk.

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Given guys feed both wild and game farm deer "bone meal" made from pulverized animal bones - Well CWD isn't a suprise at all...

Go eat the bone marrow of some other critter when you are a veggitarian

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