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I have three .257Rs and two 6.5CMs. Love both chamberings. Nostalgia (and proven effectiveness) says to go with Ned Robert's baby. Cutting edge (and proven effectiveness) say to go with Dave Emery's baby. Decisions. Nothing against the .243 but, as a dyed-in-the-wool .25 cal. fan(atic), I have zero interest. And, the Bob and CM are both effective on game up to and including elk. Feel about the same. My only quarter bore is a .240 Wby in an HS Precision rifle with Hunter's Edge stock. It loves 100 gr. NPT's. I tried 105's, no dice. I wish it was 8 twist instead of 10 twist, but half MOA with 100 gr. Partitions is good enough. I have the mentioned chamberings, except 7.x57, which I had but traded. Not a bad choice in the mix. RIght now, I'm working with heavier bullets in the CM, have 143 and 147 ELD's. DF Thought a quarter bore was the .257" calibers.   Whoops, what was I thinking...  Maybe .243 is the "new" quarter bore, after inflation and taxes...  I do have a real quarter bore, a great .257R, LA 700 with Brux SS barrel. It loves gunner's H100V load, 100 gr. TTSX at 3,240 fps. And as he says, that load is a real little buzz saw... Thanks for that correction... My birthday is this week, older than Ingwe...  Senior moment...??  DF I'm not a senior,but that is a great excuse DF and it'll work.
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I have three .257Rs and two 6.5CMs. Love both chamberings. Nostalgia (and proven effectiveness) says to go with Ned Robert's baby. Cutting edge (and proven effectiveness) say to go with Dave Emery's baby. Decisions. Nothing against the .243 but, as a dyed-in-the-wool .25 cal. fan(atic), I have zero interest. And, the Bob and CM are both effective on game up to and including elk. Feel about the same. My only quarter bore is a .240 Wby in an HS Precision rifle with Hunter's Edge stock. It loves 100 gr. NPT's. I tried 105's, no dice. I wish it was 8 twist instead of 10 twist, but half MOA with 100 gr. Partitions is good enough. I have the mentioned chamberings, except 7.x57, which I had but traded. Not a bad choice in the mix. RIght now, I'm working with heavier bullets in the CM, have 143 and 147 ELD's. DF Thought a quarter bore was the .257" calibers. Whoops, what was I thinking... Maybe .243 is the "new" quarter bore, after inflation and taxes... I do have a real quarter bore, a great .257R, LA 700 with Brux SS barrel. It loves gunner's H100V load, 100 gr. TTSX at 3,240 fps. And as he says, that load is a real little buzz saw... Thanks for that correction... My birthday is this week, older than Ingwe... Senior moment...?? DF I'm not a senior,but that is a great excuse DF and it'll work. Best exuse I could come up with in a pinch... Actively recruiting sympathy, not bashful about it...  DF
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Hey, both .243" and .257" bullets are .007" off .250"....
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You can have all the sympathy from me you want,DF. Cause I'm getting there myself.
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Hey, both .243" and .257" bullets are .007" off .250".... Ah, little quarter bore, big quarter bore. So, guess I was half right... Maybe half wrong... Oh well... Thanks for the help, JB... DF
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I will mirror what the majority has stated.
6.5 Creedmoor, then 7-08, or 7-08 then 6.5 Creedmoor.
Find a rifle he likes and have at it.
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I'm currently working up loads for both. Bobby Hart 7mm-08 in Hunter's Edge and Shilen/700 CM in modified OEM, ADL stock plus two extra handles. DF ![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgur.com/EyDqXjn.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgur.com/IAsDeV0.jpg)
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I'm currently working up loads for both. Bobby Hart 7mm-08 in Hunter's Edge and Shilen/700 CM in modified OEM, ADL stock plus two extra handles. DF DF, you have some mighty fine firearms there, and excellent taste, as well. You're a long way from Bobby's place, though. He's only an hour away from me. Almost too convenient.
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Thanks for those kind words.
I traded for the Bobby 7-08, wearing a McM Hunter. I didn't like that stock, sold it on the Classifieds, bought this Hunter's Edge thru Rick here at the Fire Store. I got it in the raw, glassed the action, freefloated the barrel, sent it back to McM for gray paint with black specks. It came with a Timney 510; the Creed has one, too.
I have a bunch of loads to test, both guns. I sent the Conquests back for elevation turrets, plan to get BallisticTape when I find the best load for each gun.
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[quote=shootinurse]
Feel about the same. My only quarter bore is a .240 Wby in an HS Precision rifle with Hunter's Edge stock. DF AKA 6-06 Belted. No wrong choices but for me I would get two of them probably a 243 and a 7-08 but as I said before the 6.5s could cover it all.
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[quote=shootinurse]
Feel about the same. My only quarter bore is a .240 Wby in an HS Precision rifle with Hunter's Edge stock. DF . No wrong choices but for me I would get two of them probably a 243 and a 7-08 but as I said before the 6.5s could cover it all. Yep. In fact, the 6mm-06 holds a grain or two more powder. I've made .240 brass from 25-06 cases. Not easy to swage an entire case body, but is possible with enough muscle power. Rumor has it Roy Weatherby made some of his early cases the same way. DF
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I will mirror what the majority has stated.
6.5 Creedmoor, then 7-08, or 7-08 then 6.5 Creedmoor.
Find a rifle he likes and have at it. This.
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From his list, ...........7-08.
All are good but for his question, the 7-08 is the best answer.
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6.5's have whacked a bunch of elk, still doing it. But the 7mm is more versatile when it come to heavier bullets.
As much as I like my CM, I'd probably chose the 7mm-08 over the CM for elk.
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I love my 6.5x55 but it can't quite live with my 7-08 and 150gr Scirroccos at 2,800fps. That said if I couldn't use a suppressor I'd stick with the 6.5.
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Yeah, I'd go 6.5 Creedmoor as well. With heavier bullets I've found the big game performance of smaller 6.5 and 7mm cartridges indistinguishable in the field--and with the Creedmoor, .257 Roberts performance with lighter bullets can easily be duplicated by handloading. Plus, the Creedmoor is rapidly becoming a standard chambering, with the attendant widespread availability of both brass and a wide array of factory ammo. The last may not seem all that important to handloaders, but popularity guarantees not only easy availability of brass, but decent prices.
Plus, the dang thing is indeed accurate. A couple days ago I was sighting-in a Ruger American 6.5 Creedmoor for an upcoming magazine article. I just threw together some handloads, using a combination that tends to shoot well in any of them, 41.5 grains of H4350 and the 140-grain Berger Hunting VLD. After shooting a couple of shots at 25 yards to guarantee being on paper at 100, I fired a 5-shot group. The hole just kept getting darker, because all 5 went into .33".... This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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