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What about the bullet was bad? Failure to expand?

I agree. I have to add, though, that a friend of mine used the 143ELD-X, out of a 6.5x55Ai, on a big Nebraska cow elk last year with great results. She was shot at under 100 yards, and the bullet exited. It may have been a different story with a shoulder shot, but hard to say.

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Model70guy's response.

DF

Thanks Dirt

Surprised about the performance of the 80 gr. TTSX. I always thought the more velocity the better.

From my experience and reading what Model70guy reports, I don't know if monos, "faster the better" , is an open ended principle.

Intuitively, maybe. But where the rubber meets the road, maybe not.

One poster mentioned needing an S.D. above .20, whereas some of the lighter Barnes mentioned, S.D.s fall below that value.

So, seems to me, too small a mono, driven too fast can have less effective terminal ballistics than one would think.

I doubt Model70guy uses that combo again.

Hypervelocity, low S.D. monos are no longer on my radar.

DF

DF, there are exceptions to every rule. Ive been using a 95 grain TTSX in 6.8spc screaming along at a leisurely 2900 fps....but that particular bullet is designed to open well at 6.8 velocities....and it does


Ive got pics if you need them.....

I believe you, have also seen TTSX's open and perform well.

I think we're seeing light weight, low S.D. monos driven at warp speed not delivering effective/efficient terminal performance, may have reached their point of diminishing returns.

3,900 fps is way different than 2,900 fps, opens a whole new can of worms....

DF

True...Ive never driven any of them that fast......

I think excessive speed combined with low S.D. monos can reach a point of diminishing returns, disappointing terminal ballistics.

Where that break point occurs, I don't know. But I do think there is a point out there; I just don't want to find it.

And, I do like and use E-Tip, TTSX and TSX bullets.

Again, IMO balance is important, matching bullets and velocity for optimal terminal ballistic performance.

DF

If some think velocity doesn't matter, Read Ross Seyfried's impressions on the reaction of Cape Buffalo to a 400gr bullet at 2350 fps v one at 2700....

I've read those reports by Ross.

Velocity does matter, the 400 gr. bullet can take it.

The shooter is the weak link...

DF

GMX and ETIPS do more damage than a TTSX because they have more frontal area when expanded.

How do you figure that for the E-Tips? Nosler expects them to open into an 'X' pattern like the Barnes bullets. The difference in frontal area of the expanded bullets is probably so little as to be of little or no consequence.

And the Hornady video shows less frontal area than an expanded TTSX.

Just curious.

I've used them both, don't see a lot of difference.

DF

Because I have actually shot them. The e tip and the gmx expanded form looks more like a traditional mushroom than a ttsx. The nose cavity seems to be deeper vs the ttsx as well.

If TTSXs were to walk on water, some would say, yeah, that's because they can't swim...

Does anyone think Model 70 guy's experience with the 80 grain ttsx in the .257 bee would have been very different with a 100 gr TTSX? I have not seen this mentioned in either thread.

Has anyone tried both the 80 and 100 with differing results?

Funny! My dad use to ask me if I wanted a canary that could sing and dance too?

I use them because I want to use lead free bullets due to fear of exposing my kids to lead.
The TTSX are the least bitchy of all the monos I have tried. However, I am not a true believer and admit that they have some short comings. The true believers can't wrap their minds around this. If it were not for my paranoia in regards to lead I would never bother with them as a plain Jane ballistic tip kills better.