Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Deer Hunting Over bulleting your deer rifle???

Harder expanding bullets on deer is a step in the wrong direction.....

Agreed beretz. I am very impressed with accubond bullets too.

Over bulleting?

Maybe its using cup and core bullet 50-150 grs. more and jumping up calibers to do the work a little mono does with less powder, more velocity is the definition of "over bulleting".

Ive stated a few times Id take a 22 CF over our required big fat shotguns here any day of the week.

One could translate that as trading a 22 for a 30 caliber deer rifle.

Id bet a sugar cookie the price of a 223 loaded with a Barnes is cheaper than a 308 with a Power Point or whatever....

Scenars have a thin jacket. but are tougher than Bergers, kill with authority.

Check out Pat (Scenarshooter) and the list of photos of Scenar killed critters he's posted over the years. (Hope he wasn't using Photobucket).

So, the hardness of the alloy is a big deal.

DF

I ddn't state my question well enough, but basically in .308 going from 165gr. C&C's to similar weight mono's and seeing them used primarily for much larger critters. the suggstions in this thread to go down in weight and up in velicity with the mono's is golden. I'm gonna do that just gotta find a load

Barnes has a very good load data section on their web site.

DF

Go as light as they make and fling them like a varmint load then.

For deer sized stuff going to smaller calibers at higher velocities gives one pause towards "overbulleting".

People were debating similar things 100 years ago; the old ways worked, but so did the new ones, with some advantages.

I guess it isnt as much for the OP as it is for the modern day cup and core, traditional deer cartridge fan.

i used to think bigger the bullet.now i have changed.use smaller caliber,faster speed .anyways shot place kills. 220 swift will kill anything.now this will start a agreement.fast bullet small grain.

What's over bulleting... Light and fast $2 a pop or simple heavy cup and core?

Yes

SSTs will definitely do that!

I'm using 150 SuperPerformance SST in my .30-06 on caribou. (Going to try GMX this season, just for grins)

Factory Corelokts (which I was using for caribou before switching to SP for flatter trajectory) and Interlocks are fine also. Premiums for deer are a needless expense. Premiums for most shots at any game are a needless expense in most cases, IMO, but that's just me.

The two places I will still consider a premiumin my own shooting life is if it shoots significantly better than C&C in that rifle, or if the caliber is a bit on the light side for intended game. For example, a .260 on moose or elk, tho that 140 Corelokt did a DRT on the only elk I have ever shot, and I'd use it in a heartbeat with no worries on a moose. And hope to.

SSTs will definitely do that!

I'm using 150 SuperPerformance SST in my .30-06 on caribou. (Going to try GMX this season, just for grins)

Factory Corelokts (which I was using for caribou before switching to SP for flatter trajectory) and Interlocks are fine also. Premiums for deer are a needless expense. Premiums for most shots at any game are a needless expense in most cases, IMO, but that's just me.

The two places I will still consider a premium in my own shooting life is if it shoots significantly better than C&C in that rifle, or if the caliber is a bit on the light side for intended game. For example, a .260 on moose or elk, tho that 140 Corelokt did a DRT on the only elk I have ever shot, and I'd use it in a heartbeat with no worries on a moose. And hope to.

There is a third reason for using premiums, and that is if you want to. Hence the GMX above....

Maybe 35-40 years ago, a buddy decided to scrap the 100gr Sierras he was using and went to a Nosler Partition in his BDL 25-06. Can't recall now if it was a 115 or 117gr version?

He shot a decent buck for the time, early on opening morning. Buck went down, he was happy. Buck got back up again within seconds, ran off down the mountain and someone else nailed it. Went down to figure out what had happened. Near's he cold sort out, his shot had gone straight through, hit no vitals.

First and last experience with a Partition on our smallish white tails, for him.

Many years later, lent my M700 25-06 to another friend, so his wife could use it on an Idaho black bear hunt. He decided she needed more rifle than her 243, despite her having killed bears in PA and Canada with it. So he loaded up Partitions for her to use in my 25-06. She hit a bear three times, bear continued on its way. Cowboy guide finished it off for her with his rifle. When they skint the bear, all three of her shots were pass throughs.

I've heard lots of good experiences with Partitions over the years, in one cartridge or another. For PA whitetails and my 25-06s, I prefer a Nosler Btip in their 100gr offering. Ain't lost one yet, most keeled over where they'd stood or walked, when hit.

So is it over kill to shoot a deer with a rifle that is over bulleted, over scoped and over stocked? And will that bullet over penetrate if it's over stabilized?

Yes to all. And not only that, the deer will be overly dead.

Where do you reckon that lead came from before it ended up in that copper jacket?

From his birth planet, uranus.

Unless its a matter of running 100 yards and its in the neighbors in a few seconds and they shoot it again, to claim it, then bullets above noted are not hitting vitals.

if thats the case, MZ shooters of old and new with simple round balls could never kill anything as their bullets never exploded into the deer....

3 shots on the bear evidently were not where they should have been. And one shot on the deer was not where it should have been. Pretty simple actually. I'd hunt deer with a 22lr if it was legal, they are not hard to kill. I kill feral hogs with a 22 all the time, these up to around 250 ish pounds so far....

I see your point and personally I don't worry about the small amount of lead from the bullets I shoot. Lots of that is caught in the berms at the local range. And the amount that goes into the environment from hunting is miniscule.

But to answer your question, the lead originally came from a lead mine. Many of which were abandoned and were/are environmental disasters. Some ended up on the Superfund list, and many still aren't cleaned up. The ones that have been cleaned up have cost a lot of money.

Along with lead smelters and battery recyclers (also "where lead comes from"), lots of problems caused by lead contamination in the environment, and some of those ended up on the Superfund list too..

I came to the dance late, and went back to the first page to see where it started. When talking of pigs as big and tough, my go to pig gun is a 1950 Savage model R in 250 with a 2-7 Redfield. On our first pig hunt the guide said he used a 243 for pigs and with the smaller bullet, he just shot them in the head. He said you can't miss, it's the size of a watermelon. My first was a 220 pounder, shot behind the left ear, bang-flop. The second was 150, shot in the left eye, bang-flop. I use factory Remington 100gr CL. As it's been said, if the bullet goes where it's supposed to, game over, Joe.