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What would be the downside to using 200 NPTs?


They kick more than 180's, which coincidentally, kick more than 165's.

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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
I started using 200-grain Partitions in the .30-06 during the late 1970's. At the time I was doing a lot of my elk hunting in the thick, steep woods of northwestern Montana near the Idaho Panhandle, and shots were rarely much more than 100 yards. I had a .30-06 and wanted to make sure the bullet would penetrate sufficiently at almost any angle. At the time Partitions were basically the only controlled-expansion bullet available, though some guy in Idaho was also making a few bonded bullets he called "Bitterroots." I soon discovered 200 Partitions penetrated plenty, and also expanded easily on any deer I encountered without ruining much meat at all, even on very close shots.

A couple years later I bought a chronograph and started trying 200 Partitions at longer ranges. Back then "longer ranges" weren't 500+ yards, but out to 400, and I discovered the 200's shot just as flat as 180's. A year or two later I started experimenting with using a plex-scope reticle to judge distance, and as a longer-range aiming point. I started using the 200's in more open country, and found they expanded fine. Even shot a pronghorn with one, and found it killed the antelope pretty dead, pretty soon--and as on short-range deer, the bullet didn't shoot up much meat at all.

These days there are a lot of controlled-expansion bullets, but 200 Partitions shoot really well in my NULA .30-06, and on the ridge where I do most local elk hunting it's rare to find a place to even see past 300 yards. Just in case, however, I've also shot the 200 Partition load well past 300 at our local range, and can consistently hit hit a 6-inch gong at 450 yards from prone with a forend rest.

In fact I was just doing it this morning to make sure the rifle was properly zeroed, because I plan to head up there right now and see if I can find a legal elk (antlerless or brow-tined), a big mule deer buck or, closer to the creek bottom, a whitetail doe. I have tags for all three, and know from past experience the 200 Partition works well on all three.


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Has anyone tried 7828?

Hodgdon lists a loading for it on their website. Says 58gr compressed for 2559 fps. 2586 for the H4831 load.

My initial guess would be 7828 is too slow to fit enough in the case for mad velocity but I'd like to hear from someone who has tried it.


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Check out max loads in Reload Manuals for 4831 SC, and then check out the SAAMI pressure for the 06, and look at what the manuals state their loads yield for pressure... their max loads are way below SAAMI specs....

as stated by one of Nosler's Ballistics Techs... you can't get enough 4831SC into an 06 case to exceed SAAMI specs...
Well if you fill the 30-06 case with 58gr of H4831 and cram a 200gr sierra SPBT in it to a standard OAL then lee crimp it tight, using a CCI250. You get around 2635fps in a 24" and it sure feels like a max pressure load.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer

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With so many obvious similarities in appearance, performance and origin, I was wondering why somebody absolutely stated that MRP and RL-22 are different powders. I'd like to know if they have proof, and if so what.



Sorry to bring this up again - I was browsing the forum confirming the "famous" 59.0gr MRP w/200gr Partition load as I am about to start throwing powder.

I cross checked with Nosler's data and interestingly found:

190gr
RL22 - 60.0gr max - 2712 fps
MRP - 58.5gr max - 2769 fps

210gr
RL22 - 57.5gr max - 2646 fps
MRP - 59.0gr max -2640 fps

Seems off that the max charge of RL22 is higher than MRP with 190gr but lower with 210gr. How is that possible?

But, they do show different charges and different results.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer

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With so many obvious similarities in appearance, performance and origin, I was wondering why somebody absolutely stated that MRP and RL-22 are different powders. I'd like to know if they have proof, and if so what.



Sorry to bring this up again - I was browsing the forum confirming the "famous" 59.0gr MRP w/200gr Partition load as I am about to start throwing powder.

I cross checked with Nosler's data and interestingly found:

190gr
RL22 - 60.0gr max - 2712 fps
MRP - 58.5gr max - 2769 fps

210gr
RL22 - 57.5gr max - 2646 fps
MRP - 59.0gr max -2640 fps

Seems off that the max charge of RL22 is higher than MRP with 190gr but lower with 210gr. How is that possible?

But, they do show different charges and different results.

Possible? different powder lots. RL-22 and MRP ARE THE SAME/

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Arac,

Most data for H414 and Win. 760, except Hodgdon's, shows slightly different results, but they're the same powder too.

All powders vary a little from lot-to-lot, and pressure-test results can vary a little from day-to-day as well. Such variations don't mean the powders are different.


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So the 59.0gr MRP load with Lapua brass, BR-2 primers and 200gr Partition gave 2610fps out of a 22" barreled SS 700 BDL, as measured by a 35P. More importantly I was able to shoot .75" 3 shot groups at 100 yards and 2.5" 3 shot groups at 300 yards.

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Sounds like that will kill something!


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i used to hog hunt with 200gr & 220gr rem fac loads in a 742 rem 06 slip hunten. you could sit down an let hogs line up an shot throught as many as 4 with 1 shot

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I was perfectly content with using 165's in my .30-06 until I got the idea to take it to Alaska for a grizzly hunt.

Decided to try some 200 gr Partitions. Had a fair bit of H4350 on hand, and had happily loaded 165's & 180's with that powder. Worked up to 53 grains of H4350, getting just over 2600 fps via the 24" Remington barrel.

Accuracy and mild recoil, and I found that even at 2600 fps, I had no problems making hits at 300 yards. Didn't plan on shooting any farther. I was plopping those 200's into 2.5" groups at 300 yards from prone, just resting the rifle on my hunting pack... The recoil actually felt good - not harsh at all... Asked my outfitter what he thought about the 200 grain Partition and he was pretty excited to hear it was shooting so well.

Went to Alaska and took a nice size Arctic Grizzly as well as a wolf. That 200 gr .30 cal Partition is one heck of a bullet. I've still got some loaded from my Alaska trip last spring, and might just use them on everything, they shoot so nicely.

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What feedback/experience/results/performance can people provide on the 30-06 using the plain jane 200 grain Speer Hot Cor flat base spitzer: elk, bears, deer?

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Don't forget the excellent 200gr Speer spitzer. Stuff the case with 54gr or 55gr of IMR 4350 and it will take about anything down.

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Originally Posted by Tejano
Has anyone tried R26 for the 200 grain load? I can't find any reference to R26 in the 30-06 at all but it could be a good match since it does so well in other 06 cases with heavy bullets.


I tried 60 grains of R26 in two rifles.
SAKO Finnlight wiith a 20 3/8" barrel and 215 primer - 2615 fps.
Thompson Center Dimension with a 22" barrel and 210 primer - 2680 fps.

Had a lower extreme spread with the 215 but not by much.

Sub-MOA groups from both rifles.

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Speer's new No. 15 manual lists 57.8 grains of RL-26 as getting 2667 fps from a 24" barrel with the Hot-Cor 200-grain spitzer--which in general I have found gets just about the same velocity, with the same loads, as the 200 Partition.

Of course, test barrels are often a little tighter, both in bore and chamber throat, than factory barrels. And handloaders don't always load bullets to the same OAL, which also affects pressures and hence velocities.

Speer does not list the specific case, but for that load used the Federal 210 primer.


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I load 62 gr/RL26, R-P brass, Fed 210M with the 200 gr Partition for 2730 fps. I can detect no excess pressure and it is very accurate in my “custom” 30-06 with FN Mauser barreled action, 24” barrel.

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Originally Posted by GF1
I load 62 gr/RL26, R-P brass, Fed 210M with the 200 gr Partition for 2730 fps. I can detect no excess pressure and it is very accurate in my “custom” 30-06 with FN Mauser barreled action, 24” barrel.


Thats cooking along. Theres not a lot you wouldnt be able to put down with that load. For the guys mentioning the speers, good luck and a little helpful advice. Dont weigh those mo fo's. You might be in for an unpleasant surprise. As for the guy that shot a "sub moa" group with them. Pure luck, even if it was 1 lucky 3 shot group.


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Speer's new No. 15 manual lists 57.8 grains of RL-26 as getting 2667 fps from a 24" barrel with the Hot-Cor 200-grain spitzer--which in general I have found gets just about the same velocity, with the same loads, as the 200 Partition.

Of course, test barrels are often a little tighter, both in bore and chamber throat, than factory barrels. And handloaders don't always load bullets to the same OAL, which also affects pressures and hence velocities.

Speer does not list the specific case, but for that load used the Federal 210 primer.


The only HotCor I have worked with extensively is the 250 grain .358. My experience has been parallel to yours regarding the 200 grain .308s - I find the Speer 250 HotCor to be a perfect surrogate for the Nosler 250 Partition. The same charge gives the same velocity and the same POI, and very similar accuracy. That's very useful for working up loads.
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Originally Posted by GF1
I load 62 gr/RL26, R-P brass, Fed 210M with the 200 gr Partition for 2730 fps. I can detect no excess pressure and it is very accurate in my “custom” 30-06 with FN Mauser barreled action, 24” barrel.


Thats cooking along. Theres not a lot you wouldnt be able to put down with that load. For the guys mentioning the speers, good luck and a little helpful advice. Dont weigh those mo fo's. You might be in for an unpleasant surprise. As for the guy that shot a "sub moa" group with them. Pure luck, even if it was 1 lucky 3 shot group.

Can't speak to the 200 HotCor, but the .358 250gr shoots consistent sub MOA in my Whelen.
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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by GF1
I load 62 gr/RL26, R-P brass, Fed 210M with the 200 gr Partition for 2730 fps. I can detect no excess pressure and it is very accurate in my “custom” 30-06 with FN Mauser barreled action, 24” barrel.


Thats cooking along. Theres not a lot you wouldnt be able to put down with that load. For the guys mentioning the speers, good luck and a little helpful advice. Dont weigh those mo fo's. You might be in for an unpleasant surprise. As for the guy that shot a "sub moa" group with them. Pure luck, even if it was 1 lucky 3 shot group.


That's funny. I run the 200 gr. Speer Hot Cores in four different .300 Win. Mag. rifles, a Winchester M70 and three Ruger #1s, two "S" models and a "B" model. The worst of the bunch is one of the "S" model #1s and it's still 3/4" groups on average. The "B" model is usually good for a half inch or less as is the other "S" models. I've never had a problem getting accurate loads with the Speer bullets I've used.
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