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Looking for a newer crew cab diesel pickup, haven't purchased a pickup since 2001 when I bought my 99 F250SD regular cab manual transmission for $15,000 with 50,000 miles. My old truck has been so bulletproof I haven't kept up on diesel trucks. I'm keeping my old SD but my daughter 5'10" at 14 we don't fit three very well anymore in the cab, so we don't get much use out of our travel trailer anymore since it's the only vehicle I have that can pull it. $30,000 will probably be my max budget, and hope to buy in the next 6 months.

Has anyone tried the Dodge Ecodiesel? The 27 MPG highway is kind of what's turning my head and it'll pull my 6000 lb 32' travel trailer no problem. I've read some of the problems with it, plus it's small enough my wife won't be afraid to drive it. When I look at 3/4-1 ton pickups it seems that Ford gives you more options for my money on the used market around here. What are the major years I should avoid in Ford, Dodge, and Chevy?

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My 2017 ram Cummins 3500 is one hell of a nice truck and pulls like nothing is back there. Biggest thing that drew me to a 3500 desiel was the fact of how much it will still be worth in 10 years and 250k+ miles.

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I've got Duramax diesels. The only one to watch out for was the 2001-2004 LB7 engine code Duramax. They have injector issues to the tune of $5k+ every 75k-100k miles. The 06 and 07 LBZ engine code Duramaxes were the best of the pre-DPF emission models. I bought an LBZ new and still drive it almost daily. Mine's tuned, has 1 Ton DRW double spring packs and frame perches, solid front and rear sway bars, etc... It's set up to work— to tow heavy and haul ass. The LMM and LML engines are also very reliable. In 2017 they've upgraded to the L5P. It's my understanding that the L5P is being produced by GM rather than Isuzu. I've also got a 2016 LML. The interiors on the new GM trucks is fantastic. There's tons of integrated storage. The GM diesel equipped trucks ride better than their Dodge and Ford counterparts. I've previously had a Cummins equipped Dodge. I haven't owned any Powerstroke equipped Fords, but have been around plent. They're very popular. I find the Fords sit unnecessarily high and I don't want to climb in and out of one all day. It's also been my experience that the Fords ride like buck boards. If I was looking for a 450 or 550 class truck, Ford would likely get the nod, but at that point there's better value in a 33K GVW single screw with air brakes. That's another topic.

I haven't kept up with all the Powerstroke iterations. The 7.3L is legendary. At least one later version, IIRC the 6.0L, had issues with head studs stretching. A problem for which there are well known and proven fixes. Someone more familiar should speak to the Fords. I loved the Cummins, but the Dodge wrapped around it was a POS. In under 2 years and 39k miles, the front end was shot.

Good luck in your quest. Anymore, they all make a pretty good truck.


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I pull a tractor rarely. But drive around 40-50k a year. Curious about 1500s that ford and dodge have or are coming out with, I am sure GMC soon to follow. Though even if it adds years to engine, the rest of the truck still has XXX miles on it.

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I've got Duramax diesels. The only one to watch out for was the 2001-2004 LB7 engine code Duramax. They have injector issues to the tune of $5k+ every 75k-100k miles. The 06 and 07 LBZ engine code Duramaxes were the best of the pre-DPF emission models. I bought an LBZ new and still drive it almost daily. Mine's tuned, has 1 Ton DRW double spring packs and frame perches, solid front and rear sway bars, etc... It's set up to work— to tow heavy and haul ass. The LMM and LML engines are also very reliable. In 2017 they've upgraded to the L5P. It's my understanding that the L5P is being produced by GM rather than Isuzu. I've also got a 2016 LML. The interiors on the new GM trucks is fantastic. There's tons of integrated storage. The GM diesel equipped trucks ride better than their Dodge and Ford counterparts. I've previously had a Cummins equipped Dodge. I haven't owned any Powerstroke equipped Fords, but have been around plent. They're very popular. I find the Fords sit unnecessarily high and I don't want to climb in and out of one all day. It's also been my experience that the Fords ride like buck boards. If I was looking for a 450 or 550 class truck, Ford would likely get the nod, but at that point there's better value in a 33K GVW single screw with air brakes. That's another topic.

I haven't kept up with all the Powerstroke iterations. The 7.3L is legendary. At least one later version, IIRC the 6.0L, had issues with head studs stretching. A problem for which there are well known and proven fixes. Someone more familiar should speak to the Fords. I loved the Cummins, but the Dodge wrapped around it was a POS. In under 2 years and 39k miles, the front end was shot.

Good luck in your quest. Anymore, they all make a pretty good truck.


Really odd that some have issues with front ends on the Rams, and others have great luck with them. I'm one of the latter group. 248k on my '03 before I replaced ball joints and center link. Sold it with about 300k on it, and as far as I know, it's still tight with about 350k on it. Current one is a 2014, 85k miles and still tight, only suspension replacements have been shocks. Bit the bullet and went with King shocks and couldn't be happier.


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I never got the "death rattle" on my 06 2500 Cummins, but the front end had loosened up and needed a rebuild at 120k. I'd think the quality or lack thereof of one's roads would play into how long the front end lasts.

All in all the Ram/Cummins was solid and treated me well for 10 years and 150k on the odo. Hopefully next spring I can swing a 2017 or 2018 to replace it.

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Avoid the ford 6.0 diesels like the plague... ford 6.4 diesel was a decent motor but that motor was in production couple yrs.


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Originally Posted by 79S
Avoid the ford 6.0 diesels like the plague... ford 6.4 diesel was a decent motor but that motor was in production couple yrs.


This except I'd avoid the 6.4 as well.


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For $30,000, I'd be looking for a Dodge or Chevy/GMC.


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Alan, my Dodge was a 2004 Ram 2500 SLT, 4x4, Cummins, quad cab, standard bed, Laramie H pkg. I wouldn't have believed it myself.


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Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
For $30,000, I'd be looking for a Dodge or Chevy/GMC.


$30,000 is my max budget and it better be one hell of a nice truck for me to spend that much, I'm hoping to find one under budget like most people. Around here in Southeast Colorado (500 mile radius search) I find I get a lot more truck with Ford for the money, such as newer, fewer miles, 6.7L, and more options. Especially when it comes to Chevy/GMC, these trucks usually are over budget with over 100K miles on them even as old as 2008 models. Dodge I can get into 10-12 models and just under 100K miles. I've found some Fords as new as 2013 around 85K miles in my budget. I usually find the best deals in OK and TX, CO wants to much money IMO. I can get as new as a 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel in my budget with less than 50K miles.

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It just boggles my mind how a 5-7 y/o truck with 100k on the odo is 2/3-3/4 the price of a new one. My truck was 10 years old with 150k on it when it got totaled out and insurance appraised it at 56% of what I paid for it.

A car of similar mileage and age is going to be 1/3-1/4 new. My wife's latest car was 2 years old with 11k on the odo, got it for slighly under 2/3 of new cost. Her previous car was ~7 y/o with 62k on the odo and less 1/4 the price of new.

Unless you can find a super clean low mileage truck at a great price, IMHO used trucks just don't pencil out.

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It just boggles my mind how a 5-7 y/o truck with 100k on the odo is 2/3-3/4 the price of a new one. My truck was 10 years old with 150k on it when it got totaled out and insurance appraised it at 56% of what I paid for it.

A car of similar mileage and age is going to be 1/3-1/4 new. My wife's latest car was 2 years old with 11k on the odo, got it for slighly under 2/3 of new cost. Her previous car was ~7 y/o with 62k on the odo and less 1/4 the price of new.

Unless you can find a super clean low mileage truck at a great price, IMHO used trucks just don't pencil out.



My '07 2500 Cummins is basically worth what I paid for it 8 years ago and I've got a handful of people that would buy it in a heart beat. I put less than 5 thousand annually on it and it basically doesn't see any winter roads so it looks like new.

F'ing crazy what a new ones are priced at


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I want to know how a new truck pencils out? You have to be able to write it off and make a living with it to afford a new truck. Had a buddy drop over $60K on a 2017 Powerstroke, I can't get creative enough to pencil that one out. Hell even after a substancial down payment he pays more a month on that pickup than my mortgage is.

I don't buy vehicles often, and haven't had vehicle a payment since 2003. I figure any decent diesel truck should last 300K miles if properly maintained, my 1990 Chevy 1500 gasser went 318K before the odometer quit and my Dad drove it for six years after I gave it to him when I bought my Powerstroke. So buying a pickup with 100K on the odometer these days is a lot different than buying a high mileage pickup back 30-40 years ago.

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Cummins!


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Go to diesel forums and read first hand info from different owners.


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You should be celebrating your mortgage!


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For what it's worth, I bought my 2016 Ram 3500 SRW, Crew Cab, Tradesman 6.7l cummins new for $38k out the door last October. Came with the snow chief package, aux switch bank, higher amp alternator, etc. Great deals can be found in October/November.

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That was a steal!


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Tradesman Rams run ~$40k from Dave Smith motors for 4X4 crew cab with the Cummins. Sure the upgrade packages are nice, but not $10-20k nice. And I can assure you a $60k truck is never going to ride like a $60k Mercedes.
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I want to know how a new truck pencils out? You have to be able to write it off and make a living with it to afford a new truck. Had a buddy drop over $60K on a 2017 Powerstroke, I can't get creative enough to pencil that one out. Hell even after a substancial down payment he pays more a month on that pickup than my mortgage is.

I don't buy vehicles often, and haven't had vehicle a payment since 2003. I figure any decent diesel truck should last 300K miles if properly maintained, my 1990 Chevy 1500 gasser went 318K before the odometer quit and my Dad drove it for six years after I gave it to him when I bought my Powerstroke. So buying a pickup with 100K on the odometer these days is a lot different than buying a high mileage pickup back 30-40 years ago.


Tradesman Rams run ~$40k from Dave Smith motors for 4X4 crew cab with the Cummins. Sure the upgrade packages are nice, but not $10-20k nice. And I can assure you a $60k truck is never going to ride like a $60k Mercedes.

The way a new truck pencils out is you buy a base model for $40k, drive it for five years with no need for repairs, and you sell it for $30k and repeat. Unless you have the mad skills to always find a clean used truck, drive it for a couple of years and sell it for what you have in it and replace with a similar vehicle, there is no way a used truck is going to pencil out as a better deal than a new truck depreciating $2k/yr for the first five years. There is also the time value of money trying to find the perfect used truck, and lost time dealing with repairs. I have never owned a vehicle that didn't need a several thousand dollar influx of cash somewhere between 100-200k on the odo.

I'd love to have a mortgage less than a car payment.

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