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Good question. I wouldn't want to let steel shot anywhere near Jonathan Browning's finest.......

"I wouldn't want to let steel shot anywhere near Jonathan Browning's finest......."

Soft steel barrels?

Previously I have used steel in my Beretta and Fausti O/Us. Simply put I refuse to shoot lead through any bird I intend to put on the table - my choice. As a matter of fact, I have not used anything less than copper bullets on deer for about a decade now too. Same reasoning.

I've got to hear this theory...

Have you seen bird flesh discolored by lead shot? I don't care for it.

Lead compounds are very toxic.

Elemental lead (metal) generally passes thru the digestive system, not that big a problem.

Steel shot will probably crack a tooth easier than lead shot.

IMO, teeth are the biggest hazard to shot in game.

DF

That would more likely be the gray graphite used as a coating. Almost all the penetration holes I see on Grouse show no evidence of either lead or graphite. Just a hole with perhaps some red surrounding.

If you handload shotshells you will get more lead exposure in a single setting, than by eating a lifetime of lead killed Birds.

In addition, I know guys who have handloaded shotshells for decades. Handling lead and breathing in the dust that comes off them. Some have thought it wise to be tested for exposure. No problems.

And you would be correct in a way. Difference being they are not users of their pristine examples. They have their circle, and place value on different criteria. However, the fact is that shotgun will sell as is for $2800-3500 and most of them would buy it for $2800 and then turn it for a profit.

Then I should feel really good since I paid less than $1K US for the little gem.

Again: old stock / NIB. This is a link for the identical shotgun for 3K for devout collectors:

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/678583490

Have at it. You should be able to negotiate a better price.

If the seller is patient it will sell for 3. However, it looks like he is a dealer. Probably has around 2, maybe a little more in it. Unless he is a plick, then less. Unlike us, they are in it for reasons other than fun.

I agree 100% with that. We lived in the little berg of Chester, NJ back in the day. There was a noted Browning collector who also lived there at the time. He traveled to the big gun shows in Reno, etc and the big high end auctions (James Julia, Rock Island, etc) when there was something that interested him. Talked to him at the LGS, from time to time.

My point was that his definition of "LNIB" and the OP's definition of "LNIB" are quite far apart. Perhaps I didn't make that point very artfully. And I certainly meant no disrespect to anybody.

NB

"My point was that his definition of "LNIB" and the OP's definition of "LNIB" are quite far apart. Perhaps I didn't make that point very artfully. And I certainly meant no disrespect to anybody."

Some days it seems us old farts got nothing better to do than pick the fly [bleep] outta pepper or split hairs if you rather. I'm not offended on my part.

I used the term LNIB loosely to refer to appearances: "LIKE NIB" in regards to the factory refurbished condition of the firearm as it sits now and the fact that it came not only with the beat up original factory box and also included was the correspondence between original owner and Browning Canada and said work order. As I stated earlier, the piece was bought as a mechanically and cosmetically restored shooter and it will be going with me to New Brunswick this fall to hunt birds.

To contrast my firearm, I posted a link to a TRUE NIB example of the identical Superposed. Some guys at the Savage Collectors Forum would be raising stones by now and calling me a heretic for daring to speak so flagrantly.

Cheers.

NB


You are one of the good guys around here. We all know it and there is no reason for any of us to take offense.

Best wishes for a safe and memorable fall Bird season.


Bud has one just like this one with a field forend. (Which I would prefer for a Grouse Gun.) It was his Fathers and both of them die hard Grouse hunters. No many shotguns can say it has put as many Pa. Ruffed Grouse into a game coat.

Yep, especially if the shot has oxidized and is dusty.

Wearing a mask isn't a bad idea.

Casting bullets is probably as bad if not worse.

DF


Edited to add, normal people spell hazzard with only one "Z"...

It's the lead exposure.

One thing about the Superposed, it's one tough piece of machinery.

No telling how many desert quail the Major's old Super has taken. And it locks up perfectly tight, no evidence of many decades of use.

DF

Could be...

DF

In that particular 20Ga, 28in barrels are where it is at. I've been tempted on a couple. the last one not that long ago. Chokes? Whatever. In fact a Mod and Full would be my first preference.

I think it meets the criteria of LNIB- "Like" New In Box.

I agree with 28" barrels, 12 ga. included.

The Major's 12 ga. Super posted above has 28" barrels and he knew some stuff about shotguns and how they handle.

I have 26" and 28" Supers, like the 28"s better, even for fast handling.

Df