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#8849808 - 05/09/14 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: MarlinMark]  
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This is the dumbest discussion I've ever read on 24hrcampfire. A bunch of fools talking about something they've never seen. How about speaking to facts you have witnessed?


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#8850132 - 05/09/14 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: MarlinMark]  
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Originally Posted by MarlinMark
This is the dumbest discussion I've ever read on 24hrcampfire. A bunch of fools talking about something they've never seen. How about speaking to facts you have witnessed?


Hard to be objective about your dog. I understand. I won't even try to tell you that I think your lack of objectivity is "dumb".

#8903840 - 05/29/14 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: Backroads]  
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Ranger1 gets it.



This ^&^^^ there are enough breeds of dogs to anything that needs to be done. We don't need to be bastardizing any more breeds in some never-ending search for the dog that can do it all, all the time. This is part of the reason I like Chessies. They haven't been messed with too much and they're not popular enough to attract the get rich quick backyard breeder crowd. Even primarily show bred bloodlines are good for something.


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#8903856 - 05/29/14 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: MarlinMark]  
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Originally Posted by MarlinMark
This is the dumbest discussion I've ever read on 24hrcampfire. A bunch of fools talking about something they've never seen. How about speaking to facts you have witnessed?



Don't get around much, do you Mark? smile


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#8909226 - 05/31/14 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: cra1948]  
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I bought a pointing lab from Bearpoint Kennels in CO. My objective was to have a healthy, quality upland lab. I didn't care if it pointed o not, just thought that it would be a bonus if it did.

Well, it does, and it points really well, and does all of the other stuff a lab is supposed to do. Several of my hunting buddies are now believers in pointing labs.
My suggestion to those non believers is to go hunt with a well bred pointing lab and see for yourself.

As I read this thread, I suspect that many of the naysayers have never actually hunted behind a pointing lab, but hold tightly to their narrow opinions.

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#8910218 - 06/01/14 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: KRD]  
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Bearpoint Kennels hosts PL field trials, as I'm sure you know. Took my 8 MO lab there last summer for the rattlesnake avoidance clinic they hosted.

I would suggest that the naysayers actually attend a PL field trial before expressing opinions about stuff they have no knowledge of.


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#8911671 - 06/01/14 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: Bighorn]  
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I much rather hunt over a high head and poker straight tail pointer or a high head Brittany any day.

Now that I think about it more I would rather hunt over a nice little Cocker, Boykin, or Springer, then any Lab pointer or not. And in the duck blind I will take a Chessie over a lab any day and all day.

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#12170017 - 07/26/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ebver happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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I stumbled across this old thread when I started checking out the pedigree of my Lab and found that he has quite a few ancestors that were bred for their pointing ability.

Some of his blood comes from the Sauk River Kennels.

Here's one of their PL's.

It looks like it comes natural to him,...and he looks kind of chunky for a field Lab. I can't see any Weim in him.



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#12170947 - 07/27/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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Late to this party, but better late....

Any who have seen a cracker jack pointer do their thing will quickly realize a Pointing Lab falls short of the real thing. Now I've seen some so called Pointers that were damn good flushers. The fault-and it was-was the owners.


Best Springer I had was a hard flusher. Litter mate won the Springer National Championship. That Dog lived to catch and kill. He was born with the right blood and at the right time. He had Birds upon end to play and learn from. He trained himself, I just let him hunt and finally the the trilogy of Dog, Bird, Gun clicked and then it was game on. We could have arrived together sooner, but at the time I didn't know better. Funny thing happened around the age of 11. If I was out of place, or a little too far back for shooting, he would point and it was intense and he was serious about it. I would walk up and say "Get em" and in he went. Smart boy he was.

Groundhogs may have been his favorite game. He went underground more than once to get them. laugh Not sure exactly what I had, but I doubt I will ever have his equal.

You were a great Bird Dog Duffy. I'd have bet money on you every time and would have lost few.

Addition: Those who want a pointing Lab should get one. However, know going in that if it is hunting with the real deal, it will be sucking hind tit all day long.

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#12201540 - 08/11/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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That video shows a nice solid scent point. The dog was even chewing scent. Period. From the proud owner of a class fdsb pointer. But dMn let that dog alone lol.

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#12201964 - 08/12/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: spj]  
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Does indeed show a solid point, however, the point was if the Lab had been hunting with a good Pointer or Setter the ground would have already been covered. The bird already pointed.

Bust thru nasty cover and flush running Wild Pheasants, I'd take a Lab. Point Quail and Ruffed Grouse a pointing dog.

Any pointing Lab yet to win any of the serious pointing field championships? Even if one was great at the pointing part, it couldn't keep up when it comes to covering ground. Shotputters don't win the marathon. That was a young Dog and he was quickly sucking wind on easy ground. He isn't built for hunting fast and hard for any extended period of time.

A good Springer would also run that Lab into the ground and flush the Birds before he/she had a chance to do any pointing.

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#12227332 - 08/23/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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A big depends. A big assumption that the big running pointer covers the same ground as effectively as the pointing lab. If the lab is from field lines run is not a problem at least where I hunt. I have never been limited by a field trial bred lab while hunting grouse and woodcock, day after day. Breeding counts for this. The lab gene pool is big enough for different lines. The AKC has done far more damage to the breed then a couple pointing lab breeders will ever do. As to why labs point, while no one knows the special sauce the good english lords bred in with their st john water dogs, setters were there for sure. Traits can be brought back to the top via selective breeding.

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#12227635 - 08/23/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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Like battue, I must have missed this thread the first time around. Must admit up front that I'm not a field-trial guy, but an all-around upland/waterfowl hunter. My first Lab's father was the Utah field-trail champion, long before I can ever recall the idea of pointing labs ever coming up. My dog taught himself to point certain birds, without an encouragement from me, and was doing it pretty consistently in his later years. He also taught himself to catch cottontail rabbits in snow, when he was younger and faster, which I didn't mind either. None of my other previsou Labs have shown much drive to point, though my present 60-pound chocolate female started to some last fall, at five years of age.

Have hunted with a number of different dogs in my travels around the world, one a bluetick hound in Alabama that pointed quail as well as the well-bred pointing dogs in his owner's string.

One of my Labs was actually half Llewellin setter, given to me by an Arizona guide who had a dozen Llewellins for quail, and one Lab for waterfowl. One of the female setters and the Lab had a party (through a chain-link fence) one night, and the result (of course) was 11 puppies. My friend kept a female and gave me a male. Hunted him until he was 12, and while he retrieved better than any setter I've hunted with, he never showed any tendency to point. But he could sure run and flush all day long.

Obviously I'm not into the purity of breeds, and debating about diluting them....


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#12227661 - 08/23/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Mule Deer]  
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No doubt you can sometimes get a good surprise out of a thru the fence breeding. Labs are the coolest of Dogs, but when they size up it becomes difficult for them to keep up in the uplands. I tried to buy one down in Georgia that was a midget, but I've only seen one other Dog that had a nose equivalent to his. He would have made a great Grouse flusher.



Addition: Right now Merlot is working on being a Groundhog specialist. He doesn't have it all down yet, but for some reason he thinks they are evil.

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#12227808 - 08/23/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: battue]  
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One of my Labs was a chocolate male from parents that weighed 65 and 75 pounds. He was 92 by six months, and around 100 at maturity when lean and mean. He was the best retriever and waterfowl Lab I've owned, but you could not hunt him in the uplands during September and most of October unless right next to a cool stream, and even then he'd only last an hour or so. On December pheasant hunts he'd roll around in snow to cool off. But he could bust brush, both to flush and retrieve pheasants, as well as he could retrieve Canada geese.

The present 60-pound female we deliberately bought when she was 18 months old, to make sure she would be the right size for early-season upland hunting. The breeder we bought her from lives on a ranch, and we got to take a winter walk with our potential dog and two other Labs while sizing her up. She soon started acting birdy, with her nose in the air rather than down on the ground, and followed the scent to a covey of Huns 250-300 hundred yards away, the other two Labs following along behind her acting puzzled. She's not as good on Canada geese as the big dog was, but she can hunt upland birds in September, and we hunt far more upland birds than waterfowl anymore.


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#12227919 - 08/23/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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A flusher that goes to the Birds head up-like a pointer-instead of fooling with ground scent is a jewel. I've only had one and the little Lab I mentioned was another. Both had an incredible scenting ability.

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#12228615 - 08/24/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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They're all different, aren't they? It's one of the aspects of bird-hunting with dogs that keeps it endlessly fascinating, along with the fact that bird-hunting without dogs isn't much fun.....


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#12231080 - 08/25/17 Re: Pointing Labs: what ever happened to them? [Re: Pete E]  
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Labs are well known to throw some bruisers to small parents sometimes! I like my labs no more than 60 lbs to lift them into the boat one handed. Their intelligence makes them killers and great partners and versatile. Battue I have had a line bred hege haus deutch kurzhaar along with my current pointer and YES their athleticism is astonishing sometimes!

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