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#12195195 - 08/08/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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A pair of jugs always takes me away from my sighting in session. JMHO


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#12195208 - 08/08/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: Magnum_Bob]  
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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Originally Posted by deflave
Milk jugs.

10 for 10.

That's my accuracy requirement for all things hunting.




Dave


dry jugs or wet? size does matter MB


One gallon.

Always wet.

If you can hit them with any given combo 10 times out of 10, it's a safe bet afield.

60% of the time it works. Every time.




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#12195376 - 08/08/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: Higbean]  
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It's the one and only shot fire. No video on hand with groups if I get around to it and I have a day as wind friendly as this was I just might have to try.
https://youtu.be/Q8Ax9W2H54A
But I'm no trystan all my rifles hit the 13+pound mark and not a Tikka in the bunch.

That's a coors can no pussy lightbeer.
1000 with 300 berger at 2820 with 86 gr of h1000 Winchester LMR primers and Norma brass.

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Hig probably a better chance of me shooting 1/2 MOA at 1000 than of you not being a fat [bleep]. Lol.

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#12195436 - 08/08/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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Flavor flav is right on killing a set of jugs 10 fur10 is all it takes. Once that can't be done there's your line.

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#12195540 - 08/08/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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#12195616 - 08/08/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: Higbean]  
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You know it sister.

#12195621 - 08/08/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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Higbean.
Point is the cats got mad skills. Here's to you wishing you could to.
Ps cold bore first round hits at 1000!! those groups are bound to suck. Lol.

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#12196857 - 08/09/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: fredIII]  
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Originally Posted by fredIII
It's the one and only shot fire. No video on hand with groups if I get around to it and I have a day as wind friendly as this was I just might have to try.
https://youtu.be/Q8Ax9W2H54A
But I'm no trystan all my rifles hit the 13+pound mark and not a Tikka in the bunch.

That's a coors can no pussy lightbeer.
1000 with 300 berger at 2820 with 86 gr of h1000 Winchester LMR primers and Norma brass.

For scale
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Hig probably a better chance of me shooting 1/2 MOA at 1000 than of you not being a fat [bleep]. Lol.


Was that a bang/flop?

#12196865 - 08/09/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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I bet the pack out was brutal....

RESCUE COOLER!!!!


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#12196866 - 08/09/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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I sat on that hill all morning waiting for the coors can to cross the road. Bang flop was mommas buck at 530 couple years back.

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You know it had to put two more to death after the hike. LOL. Thank god they come in packs not singles.

#12196946 - 08/09/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: fredIII]  
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Good thing you had something similar to beer.

#12197173 - 08/09/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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Originally Posted by jk16
Guys,

While we all would like to have one hole , quarter minute accurate rifles, in a hunting weight, portable gun thats not easy to come by.:)

I am curious what is the minmum acceptable accuracy you require on demand from a long range big game rifle ( deer to elk sized targets)?

To keep the responses relatable and unconfusing- answer using these parameters-


Accuracy requirement from the rifle is in MOA from a solid field rest under good conditions at whatever is the LONGEST distance you are comfortable shooting...

My personal requirement is 1 MOA for three quick shots prone off my pack.

My rifle is 7lbs ALL UP.

And,on deer size game, I feel that limits me to 600yards max in my mind. Elk as well because even though the target is bigger, the power is lacking to go further.

What say you?



I like my rifles used for LR shooting to be capable of at least 0.75 MOA precision on average, if not better. Actual field results at distance of 1 MOA will kill critters just fine out to medium range of about 600-700 yards. Of course groups shot on steel during practice are usually a bit smaller than when improvising in the field.


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#12197223 - 08/09/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: mathman]  
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Originally Posted by mathman
Good thing you had something similar to beer.



Tell me about it, local store was out of skunk beer. 😎

Jordan is also spot on with his assessment and requirements.
I would also add that knowing your ability and when not to take a shot is just if not more important than the guns capability. Practice makes perfect.
A .3 MOA rifle is great but a 20 mph wind will make it useless at 1000 if not driven properly

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#12197447 - 08/09/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: rost495]  
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Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by Ringman
At one time I had a 2MOA rifle that I used to take my first elk. It was ranged at 400 yards. I knew it would hit within 4" of my aiming point since there was zero wind. 400 was my my absolute maximum range for elk with that rifle and about 200 yards for deer. Now I much prefer less than 1MOA.



Nuts. 8 inch group, when the extremes of both ends are added in, won't hit within 4 inches. Then that assumes you have a perfect hold and have doped the wind and range perfectly also. Both of which we know are impossible.

Thats where most folks go wrong IMHO.

Half the size of the intended target is a good start for my requirements. And that doesn't mean overall animal size.


I guess you didn't get the part about no wind. And yes I did have a perfect hold. I was laying over a berm and was as steady as if I was on a bench with sandbags. And I didn't guess at the range I ranged it. So I guess you should have written "Both of which I don't know."


So you actually think you can hold perfectly still? Thats part of the reason you are nuts. And no wind? What about mirage then. Knowing full well how often we get no wind, total true no wind... And range... even with a rangefinder you will be off some very often. Sometimes enough to matter.

Bottom line you commenting in this thread with your history is funny as heck to me. But then YMMV. If that makes you feel better.

Wind low enough, yes, mirage acceptable or accounted for yes, range close enough, yes, wobble small enough yes. To get the job done. But to still think that every last round you fire will impact within 4 inches in any direction of the aiming point, truly shows what little you actually know. Reminds me of me as a kid in the 70s....


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#12203011 - 08/12/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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arrogance works for some too. Or is it ignorance.


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#12204010 - 08/12/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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I like to stay under MOA. Better is nice and fun, but isn't as huge a factor as many like to believe. Cold bore, consistency and wind-drift are bigger factors.You don't get sighters when hunting, and seldom get to shoot groups or strings.


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#12204666 - 08/13/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: Model70Guy]  
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Originally Posted by Model70Guy
I like to stay under MOA. Better is nice and fun, but isn't as huge a factor as many like to believe. Cold bore, consistency and wind-drift are bigger factors.You don't get sighters when hunting, and seldom get to shoot groups or strings.



What is "MOA" to you? Is that MOA regardless of point of impact? Is it "MOA" when you occasionally have a MOA group? Is it MOA for 3 rounds? 5? 10? Is it MOA only if it hits a 1 MOA target everytime on demand?

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Originally Posted by Formidilosus
Originally Posted by Model70Guy
I like to stay under MOA. Better is nice and fun, but isn't as huge a factor as many like to believe. Cold bore, consistency and wind-drift are bigger factors.You don't get sighters when hunting, and seldom get to shoot groups or strings.



What is "MOA" to you? Is that MOA regardless of point of impact? Is it "MOA" when you occasionally have a MOA group? Is it MOA for 3 rounds? 5? 10? Is it MOA only if it hits a 1 MOA target everytime on demand?



While the common usage is the ability of the rifle to shot 1 MOA groups, to me, a more meaningful standard for a "1 MOA" rifle means the shooter can hit a 1 MOA target with the cold bore shot with the set-up as it will be used in the field including the scope and ammo.

Under field conditions, cold, tired, stiff, wind, and a sub-optimal shooting position can easily double or triple the size of the results compared to a controlled range session.

For hunting, what matters is the ability to hit the intended point of aim with the cold bore shot.

#12208517 - 08/14/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: jk16]  
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That really depends on what you consider long range to be. I'm not comfortable shooting far with guns or loads that won't do moa. I like the idea of stretching out shots more than the reality though, usually because of crazy winds/updrafts/downdrafts that can come into play. I don't have a dedicated LR rig, just some guns that shoot accurately and flat enough with the right bullets.

I'm comfortable stretching out an '06 with 185 VLD to beyond 600, because it is utterly predictable when the wind is cooperating. It shoots well below moa: 2/3" at 100, 1.5" at 300, 4 and some change at 600. I've done that enough to be confident in it over and over again, as long as I get serious about it.

So, my standard is well under moa in conditions where wind isn't a factor, say .8 moa. I doubt I'll shoot at anything past about 600 yds though. It has been a good sensible max for me.


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#12209270 - 08/15/17 Re: Minimum Accuracy requirement fir a long range big game rifle.m [Re: HuntnShoot]  
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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
That really depends on what you consider long range to be. I'm not comfortable shooting far with guns or loads that won't do moa. I like the idea of stretching out shots more than the reality though, usually because of crazy winds/updrafts/downdrafts that can come into play. I don't have a dedicated LR rig, just some guns that shoot accurately and flat enough with the right bullets.

I'm comfortable stretching out an '06 with 185 VLD to beyond 600, because it is utterly predictable when the wind is cooperating. It shoots well below moa: 2/3" at 100, 1.5" at 300, 4 and some change at 600. I've done that enough to be confident in it over and over again, as long as I get serious about it.

So, my standard is well under moa in conditions where wind isn't a factor, say .8 moa. I doubt I'll shoot at anything past about 600 yds though. It has been a good sensible max for me.


Thats pretty much where I am. I am simply not willing to hump around a rifle heavy enough to make sure kills on game past 600 yards in my hands.

My 7lb 308 is doing well under MOA with my 155g Scenar handloads and working to get that down to conisstently close to or at .5 MOA before I call it good.

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.5 @ the 100 or all the way to 600?





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I'm routinely amazed how easily guys with a "1/2 MOA Gun" will repeatedly miss 2 MOA targets... almost regardless of range...


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