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#12195332 - 08/08/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: gnoahhh]  
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Originally Posted by gnoahhh
I know a guy who contracts with Chinese optics people to have made optics made for laboratory work. He told me that with the Chinese you get what you ask for- if you want quick and cheap then that's the quality you get. If you ask for the highest quality, then that's what you get. He had better luck having the Chinese make precision lenses and prisms for quantum physics labs than he did with "name" German outfits.

I remember people squawking way back when Japanese optics/cameras got the upper hand on American made stuff. Now the fall guy is the Chinese. I wonder who it'll be in another 40 years? The Brazilians, or perhaps the Moroccans? Maybe the Romanians. Personally, I don't care whose "made by" sticker is on a piece of equipment, as long as it works and hits a price point I can afford.


I can agree with that statement. Especially the price point issue. Not every man can afford "alpha" products.


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#12195367 - 08/08/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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And some "alpha" products are made in Japan, including some that have been made there for many years.

Saying this or that country makes junk optics hasn't been true for a long time, due to the realities of global manufacturing.


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#12195409 - 08/08/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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If the Norks keep it up, they'll have plenty of glass for the Chinese to use.


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#12195581 - 08/08/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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Originally Posted by Farmboy1
I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all
of their optics made in China.

The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.

This is not good news.

How is the Razor going to compete with all of the nice midrange binoculars, such as the
Zeiss Conquest HD, Leica Trinovid, GPO, Maven, Tract, Monarch HD, Meopta Meostar.
They are all made in Japan or Europe.

These are all in the $999.00 range.

Who is going to pay that for a China made Razor ?


From Vortex's website:

"Nearly every component in the AMG, from the index-matched lenses to smallest screw, is engineered, machined, and assembled in the USA. The only component from outside the USA is the German manufactured reticle. If you're looking for a top-tier long-range precision riflescope, look no further than the Razor HD AMG."

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/razor_hd_amg_riflescope

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#12195598 - 08/08/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Hondo64d]  
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Originally Posted by Hondo64d
Originally Posted by Farmboy1
I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all
of their optics made in China.

The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.

This is not good news.

How is the Razor going to compete with all of the nice midrange binoculars, such as the
Zeiss Conquest HD, Leica Trinovid, GPO, Maven, Tract, Monarch HD, Meopta Meostar.
They are all made in Japan or Europe.

These are all in the $999.00 range.

Who is going to pay that for a China made Razor ?


From Vortex's website:

"Nearly every component in the AMG, from the index-matched lenses to smallest screw, is engineered, machined, and assembled in the USA. The only component from outside the USA is the German manufactured reticle. If you're looking for a top-tier long-range precision riflescope, look no further than the Razor HD AMG."

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/razor_hd_amg_riflescope

John


John: Did you notice we are talking Vortex binoculars.

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#12195611 - 08/08/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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I should have been more clear, when/if(pretty sure it's when) Vortex makes a good 3-9x40(ish) or fixed 4 or 6 power optic in the US I'll buy it. Really the only optics(other than binos) that I use.


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#12195690 - 08/08/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Hondo64d]  
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Originally Posted by Hondo64d
Originally Posted by Farmboy1
I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all
of their optics made in China.

The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.

This is not good news.

How is the Razor going to compete with all of the nice midrange binoculars, such as the
Zeiss Conquest HD, Leica Trinovid, GPO, Maven, Tract, Monarch HD, Meopta Meostar.
They are all made in Japan or Europe.

These are all in the $999.00 range.

Who is going to pay that for a China made Razor ?


From Vortex's website:

"Nearly every component in the AMG, from the index-matched lenses to smallest screw, is engineered, machined, and assembled in the USA. The only component from outside the USA is the German manufactured reticle. If you're looking for a top-tier long-range precision riflescope, look no further than the Razor HD AMG."

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/razor_hd_amg_riflescope

John


I see those AMG models are very spendy. Not sure of their quality. Vortex has never been in my sights.

#12196039 - 08/09/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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Originally Posted by Farmboy1
I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all
of their optics made in China.

The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.


Originally Posted by Farmboy1
John: Did you notice we are talking Vortex binoculars.


I missed that given that the very first line in the OP says "all of their optics."

John


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#12196653 - 08/09/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: harv3589]  
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Originally Posted by harv3589
I just got a new Vortex Razor HD 27-60x80 spotting scope...says assembled in USA on bottom

It seems really sharp to me but I will test it out tomorrow spotting antelope.


They're assembled by meopta in the US. They still use the same glass as the earlier Razors..

#12196665 - 08/09/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Hondo64d]  
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Originally Posted by Hondo64d
Originally Posted by Farmboy1
I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all
of their optics made in China.

The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.


Originally Posted by Farmboy1
John: Did you notice we are talking Vortex binoculars.


I missed that given that the very first line in the OP says "all of their optics."

John

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#12196701 - 08/09/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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This, from another website seems to contradict the rumor. Of course it could be another rumor.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/is-vortex-moving-everything-to-china-update.824955/


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#12197856 - 08/09/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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" Vortex has never been in my sights."

Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!

I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.

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Originally Posted by akjeff
" Vortex has never been in my sights."

Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!

I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.

Jeff

Pretty obvious Vortex was in his sights...

If a schit slinger has sights...


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#12198547 - 08/10/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Sitka deer]  
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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by akjeff
" Vortex has never been in my sights."

Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!

I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.

Jeff

Pretty obvious Vortex was in his sights...

If a schit slinger has sights...


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#12203004 - 08/12/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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Originally Posted by Farmboy1
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by akjeff
" Vortex has never been in my sights."

Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!

I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.

Jeff

Pretty obvious Vortex was in his sights...

If a schit slinger has sights...


Don't complain about farmers with your mouth full. Feeding the world is our bread and butter.

Farmers get a pass for saying stupid schit completely unrelated to farming in your World?

They do not in my World.


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#12204088 - 08/12/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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I just got a pair of Viper HD 10x42's from Cabela's. They say made in China

And they also seem like a great set of glass.


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#12204106 - 08/12/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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I am a bit surprised that Doug is silent on this as it seems he/they "created" a chunk of the demand, at least here...


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#12204115 - 08/12/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: Farmboy1]  
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I like the Vortex stuff I have and have used. I have had to send some stuff back for repair I won't deny that. But atleast I know if my Vortex stuff breaks or if I break it, I can send it back and get it fixed. I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. For me a warranty is gold. I don't have the income to replace my gear due to accidents or no fault of my own. So I now buy based on warranty as long as what I am purchasing works well for my eyes and is quality I can afford and not crap. Vortex to me so far has treated me well. I'll keep using them until their quality and or warranty goes to complete crap. An believe me I have been blessed to use the big three, Minox and various other optic brands. So I tend to buy what my eyes like and what I have experienced first hand, not what some 'pro" suggests is what I need.
I hope the truth comes out soon on this topic. I'd be interested to know. Altho I'll still be a Vortex purchaser but have been leaning a lot toward Burris. No need for new stuff yet tho.


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Originally Posted by Enrique
I like the Vortex stuff I have and have used. I have had to send some stuff back for repair I won't deny that. But atleast I know if my Vortex stuff breaks or if I break it, I can send it back and get it fixed. I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs. For me a warranty is gold. I don't have the income to replace my gear due to accidents or no fault of my own. So I now buy based on warranty as long as what I am purchasing works well for my eyes and is quality I can afford and not crap. Vortex to me so far has treated me well. I'll keep using them until their quality and or warranty goes to complete crap. An believe me I have been blessed to use the big three, Minox and various other optic brands. So I tend to buy what my eyes like and what I have experienced first hand, not what some 'pro" suggests is what I need.
I hope the truth comes out soon on this topic. I'd be interested to know. Altho I'll still be a Vortex purchaser but have been leaning a lot toward Burris. No need for new stuff yet tho.



Since when has there EVER been a problem with Leupold's warranty?


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Originally Posted by Enrique
I haven't looked at Leupold or Nikon or any other brands in a long time besides Burris, but last time I looked, if they broke, I would have to fix em on my dime whether my fault or theirs.


That is news to me.


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#12229500 - 08/24/17 Re: Vortex, now all made in China. [Re: kingston]  
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Amen...


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