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#12141859 - 07/12/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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WTB: Winchester 70 Classic Stainless Featherweights

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#12145050 - 07/13/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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I've enjoyed watching this Thread! Very interesting. I'm with the conservative crowd that says there's an collectible gun forgery every day or so. That said, I think it's a great rifle. Since many SGs are likely somehow modified over time if not faked, I'd just stop worrying about the matter. More than 'due diligence' accomplished, and a bunch of knowledgeable folks weighing in. From views available, the rifle looks good and I believe quickly marketable above 2K with the right exposure. I'd be proud to own such as it!
Big congrats and...
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#12150733 - 07/17/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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I have a pre war std that barrel and action dates vary two years. Gun originally purchased by an old family friend, bought from him by cousin, inherited by me. I have had two SuperGrades that had the nice transition of the Monte Carlo and cheek piece, unlike the Collectors example, and like your purchase.

An old friend, likely deceased now who at different times repped for Winchester and Browning, once told me to beware, but never say never at either place, especially before GCA '68. They liked to please customers.

So it has been bedded and maybe padded. Buy it and shoot it and see the envy of others. I have a fifties FN with a custom stock that I shoot that I would not swap for it, but folks rarely snap on what I have. That can be my advantage at the range if I change loads or glass. Folks ignore me. I have three other rifles that draw the crowds. That sometimes bugs me.

Enjoy,

Jack

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#12161747 - 07/22/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: jt402]  
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Originally Posted by jt402
I have had two SuperGrades that had the nice transition of the Monte Carlo and cheek piece, unlike the Collectors example, and like your purchase.
Jack


If you are sure those stocks are original (and two of them to boot!), then Rule missed an important variation. Given all the lesser variations he did not miss, that really surprises me.

#12162494 - 07/22/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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The Supergrade Fwts are so rare that hardly anyone has ever seen more than one in their life. I only ever saw one that I remember myself, and it was a 270 with a pad as well. It was priced right but no one would touch it.
This was before the internet and affordable CNC machines, and the chance of finding an un-molested Supergrade Fwt stock was slim to none, and that is why no one wanted it.

When I first looked at the OP's pic the cheekpiece and monte carlo didn't strike me as anything that odd. It looked like an older cheekpiece on a later monte carlo. With a gun so rare that blend of old and new doesn't surprise me; nor does the older barrel and again for the same reason.

In a related note, today I handled a beautiful 264 Win Mag Fwt and a very nice nice 1962 375 H&H. The 375 had beautiful wood and the small machine checkering panels were recut to mid 1950's. They did a nice job but not perfect by a long shot. I didn't look at the serial of the 264 the beautiful blueing on the barrel and gorgeous wood dominated my attention!


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#12162544 - 07/22/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: GunDoc7]  
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Originally Posted by GunDoc7


If you are sure those stocks are original (and two of them to boot!), then Rule missed an important variation. Given all the lesser variations he did not miss, that really surprises me.



Again not to argue, but I crossed paths with a serious collector and he knew most of the serious collectors. He was of the opinion that it wasn't rare for Rule to miss. FWIW.

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#12162891 - 07/22/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: battue]  
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Originally Posted by battue
Originally Posted by GunDoc7


If you are sure those stocks are original (and two of them to boot!), then Rule missed an important variation. Given all the lesser variations he did not miss, that really surprises me.



Again not to argue, but I crossed paths with a serious collector and he knew most of the serious collectors. He was of the opinion that it wasn't rare for Rule to miss. FWIW.


No argument from me. I've heard that about Rule as well. I've even heard a rumble or two about "the book" having some intentional errors to cover some tracks. Please note I didn't say I doubted jt402. But his was the first I had ever heard (in my limited experience) of SG Monte Carlo stocks that didn't have that awkward intersection, non-intersection actually, of the rear of the cheek rest with the step of the Monte Carlo.

As for serious collectors, that is some rare air indeed, and air I don't breathe. I have talked to one knowledgeable person that trusts dealer A, but not dealer B, and then another who tells me exactly the opposite. As far as I can tell, if you don't have a rock solid paper trail, the "correctness" of any given M70 is what some undefined community of experts is willing to agree on, although there is often disagreement. You may have private knowledge you trust, and that may give you peace of mind, but that is all it is.

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#12162949 - 07/23/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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Doc,

Your thoughts pretty much coincide with this individual. I mentioned earlier his phone number has gone silent and I'm afraid there is no good to come of it. A good, intelligent and interesting individual. .


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#12163076 - 07/23/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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The rifle has arrived at my FFL. I'm on vacation, then he goes on vacation, and then my vacation continues.

Long story short it'll be sometime in August before I pick the rifle up.

I am looking forward to it.


WTB: Winchester 70 Classic Stainless Featherweights

Killing game at 600+ yards...an affirmation of your shooting skills, or an indictment of your hunting prowess?
Doug
#12163208 - 07/23/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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Damn, keep us in suspense some more... grin Your rifle is intriguing. It keeps reminding me of the 220 swift SG I should have bought for $1,000.00 a few months ago. I know it wasn't 100% original, but it looked the part...


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


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#12163550 - 07/23/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: battue]  
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Originally Posted by battue
Doc,

Your thoughts pretty much coincide with this individual. I mentioned earlier his phone number has gone silent and I'm afraid there is no good to come of it. A good, intelligent and interesting individual. .



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#12204902 - 08/13/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


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#12211344 - 08/16/17 Re: Pre-64 Super Grade Featherweight? [Re: nyrifleman]  
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Won't have it in hand until the end of August gents. I am on an extended vacation.


WTB: Winchester 70 Classic Stainless Featherweights

Killing game at 600+ yards...an affirmation of your shooting skills, or an indictment of your hunting prowess?
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