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Originally Posted by JP_Lucas
Is there a certain grain 6.5mm ballistic tip with a thicker jacket that any one knows about?


Not sure about that, but the 130gr AB is rather sturdy in my experience. I've heard others here report the same.


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I believe the 6.5mm 120 gr is similar to the 7mm 120 BT.


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Originally Posted by michiganroadkill
I believe the 6.5mm 120 gr is similar to the 7mm 120 BT.


I'm not so sure about that.

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Originally Posted by 79S
My lovely wife shot this big cow last November using a standard 280 with 150gr ballistic tip.

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Between you and the moose, she shot the better looking one..... grin

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My lovely wife shot this big cow last November using a standard 280 with 150gr ballistic tip.

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Between you and the moose, she shot the better looking one..... grin


The hate is strong with this one... lol

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I believe the 6.5mm 120 gr is similar to the 7mm 120 BT.


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I'm not so sure about that.


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I digress; let's talk about the 6.5-.280 Ackley.

Gosh, I don't even know the year.

I was retired from our jewelry store, so it was after 1992. Chub Eastman was still the Sales Manager at Nosler. I still was writing at Varmint Hunter, a Contributing Editorship I literally walked away from in 2004. It was way before 2004 though, because it was back when Darrell Holland and I had a friendly working relationship (don't ask, please). And it was still back in the days when Chub and I went to slay whitetail, mulies and mooses in Alberta.

Just for the heck of it, let's call it the 1993 or 1994.

Chub Eastman, my longtime good friend and hunting partner, gave me a call one day. Chub wanted me to suggest/design a cartridge that would work through a pre-'64 Winchester action that he had. Generally, his request was for a .264" round that would give the maximum performance out of the basic .30-'06 case. Chub is not allergic to fireforming, so Ackley influence was fine.

So, how do you get the mostest bang for the buck out of the basic '06 case???? The largest case volume of the family is the .280 Remington, owing to the shoulder being .051" forward of the standard round.

The obvious answer to Chub's request was simply to make a .264" round on the .280 Ackley case. Yes, we could have gone for a 6.5 Gibbs, but creating a surragate shoulder or bullet jamming or other heroics were not something I wanted to do.

At the time, Darrell Holland was my go-to gunsmith, so I had Darrell order a 6.5-.280 Ackley reamer from Hugh Hendriksen (the absolute best!!!) and I paid for half of the reamer. I would assume that Chub paid for the other half.

The reamer was marked .264 THE Express. The "THE" nomenclature reportedly stands for Timm, Holland and Eastman. I always thought that the THE name sucked.

Chub and I both had rifles built in 6.5 -.280 Ackley. Chub's was on his Model 70 action and I believe that he used a Pac-Nor barrel. Knowing Chub, he probably went for a longish barrel and I believe that his stock was one of those yukky MPI abortions.

Mine was on a Remington 700 BDL, with a three-contour twenty-four inch Schneider 1-10" stainless barrel, with a pillar-bedded McMillan Remington Classic stock. My rifle was impeccably done, by any standards.

I guess Chub didn't fancy the THE name any more than I did because his barrel is marked 6.5 Blowhole Express.

My barrel had more character by half because my chamber designation is .264 Brainfart Express. If nothing, Chub and I are comics to the core. The Two Stooges, actually. grin

I developed the data; the rifles shot wonderfully and they shot fast.

Please, no flaming, Chub and I kill stuff; we have proven it in the field and we use what works.

There were two standout loads. The first featured a 120 Ballistic Tip with RL-22 and the muzzle velocity was 3,250 fps. The second was with the 125-grain Partition, again with RL-22, and the MV was 3,200 fps.

Over the years, I watched Chub murder fully a half-dozen Alberta bull moose with the 120 Ballistic Tip in the 6.5 Blowhole. Each moose needed a single shot and they died most rickey-tick. Dead right friggin' there, in fact.

How many huge Alberta whitetail did he kill? Crap, I don't know ... maybe a dozen. They simply died most sincerely dead with the 120 Ballistic. And with no or very little blood-shooting of meat.

I don't believe that either of us have ever recovered a 120 Ballistic; they basically go clear through both mooses and deer, leaving an exit of one- to two-inches. They destroy things that sustain life in the critter, they exit and then they go into a low orbit of the earth.

Very late in the game, Nosler's ballistics buy, Matt Smith, had Holland build him a rifle. Matt was the replacement for Gail Root, Nosler's legendary bullet designer and ballistics dude. Matt was a great guy and he had access to Oregon's GI Ranch, so he was able to kill lots of animals with his rifle.

For those who know Oregon, the GI Ranch is beyond Hampton, kinda in the Glass Buttes, Riley area. It's a huge ranch and permission is like impossible.

Matt fancied the 100 Ballistic tip and he killed mule deer and bull elk that all of the rest of us only dream about with the combination. I've seen photos of Matt with 200+++ point mulies and bull elk that give me the dry humps without the aid of Viagra.

How fast was Matt pushing the 100??? Well, he's young and he's ballistically smart, so probably very, very fast. And, more to the point, the bullet worked for him in a most magnificent way.

The rest of the story: Chub is still murdering animals with his rifle, I guess. I've lost touch with Matt, but it would be hard for me to believe that he would abandon a "good luck rifle" like that. Me? Well, I drifed back to the .280 Ackley, the .25-'06 and a brief flirtation with the 6.5-'06 Ackley.

Currently, I'm kind of quarter-bore guy; in love with the .25-'06 and my new, lovely and totally-unfired .257 Weatherby.

Truth to tell, my shoulder did not really survive surgery well three years ago and I've only fired a few rounds since that time. It is painful in the extreme to shoot a single round and I'm completely incapable of getting big critters out of the field, in the truck and butchered, so I've kinda left the field.

And that's fine. Lord knows, I've killed enough.
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Originally Posted by 79S
My lovely wife shot this big cow last November using a standard 280 with 150gr ballistic tip.


There aint nothing wrong with that!! It's the perfect bullet/cartridge combination.


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The 6.5mm version has been a fine killer at my deer camp too so I'm happy with it, but I'm still not sure its jacket is as thick as the 7mm version.

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It's easy to find out how thick the jackets are on various Ballistic Tips, using at least a couple of methods. One is to put the bullet sideways in a vise and then file it down until the core shows. The other is to dump one in a pot of melted lead. In a few seconds, you can fish the empty jacket out and weigh it.

I haven't done either with the 6.5 120, but did recover one from an animal, a pronghorn doe. Muzzle velocity was 3100 fps, and the doe was quartering toward me at 250 yards. The bullet was found under the hide at the front edge of the hindquarter on the opposite side, retaining 59.4% of its weight.


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This with give you an idea how the jacket of the new Ballistic Tips looks.They seem to look like the jacket on an Accubond.Some may even be the same bullet without the bonding.Some may also vary depending on the caliber and bullet weight.I quit shooting them years ago in the early 90's,but these days it's about all I ever shoot.They are great bullets.

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There's a reason Nosler doesn't make a 120 grain Partition or Accubond in 7mm. The BT performance mirrors that of the other two, so they don't make the others.





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79S, Great picture. 👍

Mule Deer, Great information as usual and thank you, I have several boxes of 200gr .338 that shoot great but I never reached for them. I guess when I needed the confidence of that caliber I grabbed 225gr Trophy bonded or 225 A-Frames which both shot to the same POI. I may have to try the BT if I do a cow hunt to help a farmer friend this year.

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Thanks for that DZ qoute. I really miss his writing now that VM has gone over the hill. Have always wanted a Blow Hole Express.


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Very late in the game, Nosler's ballistics buy, Matt Smith



I talked with Matt on a few occasions when he was still with Nosler. (wish he still was)

He swore by the 26/120 and 28/120 BT's.

I asked him how they would perform on big game out to 700 yds,

He said no problem, use them, they would work great. Matt was no nonsense in these matters and he spoke
from personal experience.

I have not personally used either bullet on game, having always opted for the Partition. I don't doubt his or DZ word on the matter.

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I believe the 6.5mm 120 gr is similar to the 7mm 120 BT.


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I'm not so sure about that.


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I digress; let's talk about the 6.5-.280 Ackley.

Gosh, I don't even know the year.

I was retired from our jewelry store, so it was after 1992. Chub Eastman was still the Sales Manager at Nosler. I still was writing at Varmint Hunter, a Contributing Editorship I literally walked away from in 2004. It was way before 2004 though, because it was back when Darrell Holland and I had a friendly working relationship (don't ask, please). And it was still back in the days when Chub and I went to slay whitetail, mulies and mooses in Alberta.

Just for the heck of it, let's call it the 1993 or 1994.

Chub Eastman, my longtime good friend and hunting partner, gave me a call one day. Chub wanted me to suggest/design a cartridge that would work through a pre-'64 Winchester action that he had. Generally, his request was for a .264" round that would give the maximum performance out of the basic .30-'06 case. Chub is not allergic to fireforming, so Ackley influence was fine.

So, how do you get the mostest bang for the buck out of the basic '06 case???? The largest case volume of the family is the .280 Remington, owing to the shoulder being .051" forward of the standard round.

The obvious answer to Chub's request was simply to make a .264" round on the .280 Ackley case. Yes, we could have gone for a 6.5 Gibbs, but creating a surragate shoulder or bullet jamming or other heroics were not something I wanted to do.

At the time, Darrell Holland was my go-to gunsmith, so I had Darrell order a 6.5-.280 Ackley reamer from Hugh Hendriksen (the absolute best!!!) and I paid for half of the reamer. I would assume that Chub paid for the other half.

The reamer was marked .264 THE Express. The "THE" nomenclature reportedly stands for Timm, Holland and Eastman. I always thought that the THE name sucked.

Chub and I both had rifles built in 6.5 -.280 Ackley. Chub's was on his Model 70 action and I believe that he used a Pac-Nor barrel. Knowing Chub, he probably went for a longish barrel and I believe that his stock was one of those yukky MPI abortions.

Mine was on a Remington 700 BDL, with a three-contour twenty-four inch Schneider 1-10" stainless barrel, with a pillar-bedded McMillan Remington Classic stock. My rifle was impeccably done, by any standards.

I guess Chub didn't fancy the THE name any more than I did because his barrel is marked 6.5 Blowhole Express.

My barrel had more character by half because my chamber designation is .264 Brainfart Express. If nothing, Chub and I are comics to the core. The Two Stooges, actually. grin

I developed the data; the rifles shot wonderfully and they shot fast.

Please, no flaming, Chub and I kill stuff; we have proven it in the field and we use what works.

There were two standout loads. The first featured a 120 Ballistic Tip with RL-22 and the muzzle velocity was 3,250 fps. The second was with the 125-grain Partition, again with RL-22, and the MV was 3,200 fps.

Over the years, I watched Chub murder fully a half-dozen Alberta bull moose with the 120 Ballistic Tip in the 6.5 Blowhole. Each moose needed a single shot and they died most rickey-tick. Dead right friggin' there, in fact.

How many huge Alberta whitetail did he kill? Crap, I don't know ... maybe a dozen. They simply died most sincerely dead with the 120 Ballistic. And with no or very little blood-shooting of meat.

I don't believe that either of us have ever recovered a 120 Ballistic; they basically go clear through both mooses and deer, leaving an exit of one- to two-inches. They destroy things that sustain life in the critter, they exit and then they go into a low orbit of the earth.

Very late in the game, Nosler's ballistics buy, Matt Smith, had Holland build him a rifle. Matt was the replacement for Gail Root, Nosler's legendary bullet designer and ballistics dude. Matt was a great guy and he had access to Oregon's GI Ranch, so he was able to kill lots of animals with his rifle.

For those who know Oregon, the GI Ranch is beyond Hampton, kinda in the Glass Buttes, Riley area. It's a huge ranch and permission is like impossible.

Matt fancied the 100 Ballistic tip and he killed mule deer and bull elk that all of the rest of us only dream about with the combination. I've seen photos of Matt with 200+++ point mulies and bull elk that give me the dry humps without the aid of Viagra.

How fast was Matt pushing the 100??? Well, he's young and he's ballistically smart, so probably very, very fast. And, more to the point, the bullet worked for him in a most magnificent way.

The rest of the story: Chub is still murdering animals with his rifle, I guess. I've lost touch with Matt, but it would be hard for me to believe that he would abandon a "good luck rifle" like that. Me? Well, I drifed back to the .280 Ackley, the .25-'06 and a brief flirtation with the 6.5-'06 Ackley.

Currently, I'm kind of quarter-bore guy; in love with the .25-'06 and my new, lovely and totally-unfired .257 Weatherby.

Truth to tell, my shoulder did not really survive surgery well three years ago and I've only fired a few rounds since that time. It is painful in the extreme to shoot a single round and I'm completely incapable of getting big critters out of the field, in the truck and butchered, so I've kinda left the field.

And that's fine. Lord knows, I've killed enough.
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This is a closer picture of the 7mm 120 gr. nbt bullet that downed that NM cow elk.

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Originally Posted by 79S
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My lovely wife shot this big cow last November using a standard 280 with 150gr ballistic tip.

[Linked Image]



Between you and the moose, she shot the better looking one..... grin


The hate is strong with this one... lol



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