Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Africa The SXS Double Rifle Mystique

The number of PHs, whose primary job is to protect the client when things go south, almost to a man, prefer a double.

...Bell was not a PH, he was an ivory poacher...

he lost count of how many elephants he lost when he was going after large quantities of ivory.

Isn't the internet wonderful?..

IIRC, Gunner500 has one.

DF

Gunner's is a Rodda, IIRC. Though of course it was probably made by someone else & sold by Rodda.

almost as funny
as your wacko claim the Twin Towers melted because Boeing 767 carried several hundred thousand gallons of jet fuel...the rational
minded truth is that fuel did not melt beams and B767 has max fuel approx. 23,000 gal ...and nowhere even near that on the day.

Isn't the internet wonderful? The number of PHs, whose primary job is to protect the client when things go south, almost to a man, prefer a double. Are their some who prefer a bolt or carry one because that is all they have? absolutely. Bell was not a PH, he was an ivory poacher and by his own admission, he lost count of how many elephants he lost when he was going after large quantities of ivory. The double still remains, a highly specialized tool with inherent limitations, that is without question.

Bell still had to protect himself, his trackers, gun handlers and many of his african hired helpers from a range of DG threats on
numerous occasions. he successfully did that while also accumulating hauls of ivory..If a SxS was necessary for such tasks,
he would have employed one.





If prefer to call Bell a commercial ivory hunter.... He succesfully negotiated with remote region tribal chiefs to gain permissible access
to lucrative elephant grounds, I would not put that in the category of 'poaching'. Such remote zones were largely unregulated by
colonial gov... In regulated regions indications are he did obtain the required licenses and obeyed elephant hunting season laws....
again, that is not 'poaching'.

"Passing over to the english side if the Nile, I occupied myself as well as I could obtaining my two elephants allowed
me on my Uganda license from ther sporting herd of cow elephant which then haunted the Gondokoro region.....I fell in
with them only a few miles from the post and manged to kill two passable herd bulls".
- (Bell of Africa p.105)

"Having entered my rifles at Lado and cleared them through the Doune, it was not necessary again to visit a Belgian post.
So when hunting season opened, I already had a herd of bull elephant located. Naturally I lost no time when the date arrived,
that is, the date according to my calculations. This matter is of some importance, as I was afterwards accused of being too
soon. I may have begun a day or even two days before the date, but to the best of my knowledge it was the opening date..."
-(Bell of Africa p.106)



Which Bell publication and chapter is that from?


It was your peabrain weird science internet posts claiming animals can be 'shocked to death' by using larger calibres. almost as funny
as your wacko claim the Twin Towers melted because Boeing 767 carried several hundred thousand gallons of jet fuel...the rational
minded truth is that fuel did not melt beams and B767 has max fuel cap.approx. 23,000 gal ...and nowhere even near that on the day.

Some people with intoxicated imaginations invest smoke and mirrors spin into double rifles like they do terminal ballistics and Sept. 11.

Quentin Grogan

Grogan came out to British East Africa in 1905 and started hunting in The Lado Enclave in 1907. He was the brother of the famous Col. Ewart S Grogan
who walked from the Cape to Cairo between 1898 – 1899. Grogan was very interested in trying out calibers against elephant some suitable and others
more controversial like the .256 Mannlicher and the .280 Ross. He also tried the. 450 NE but finally settled on a .318 Westley Richards and a .577 WR
both of which he used until the end of his days as an Ivory Hunter. He shot between 250 and 300 elephant.

Commander Longden

In 1909 Longden went to The Lado Enclave, right from the start he got excellent trophies his best was an enormous elephant with tusks of 141 and 139 pounds
which he shot in 1911. He once wounded an elephant which charged him and was unable to stop it with the 450 NE he was using. The elephant caught him and
began to batter him, and his gun bearer managed to kill it with a brain shot from the .318 Westley Richards. He was in a critical state and so carried across the
Nile to the post of Wadelai where he died. He shot between 60 – 70 elephant.

D. D. Lyell

Dennis D. Lyell in his book The African Elephant and its Hunters 1924 writes ‘if I was going back to hunt in Africa I would buy a couple of .318 Mauser Action
Magazine Rifles, for I believe this is a perfect size as an all round rifle and notwithstanding the critics who have not always had practical experience as a backing
to their opinions, I am no believer in heavy rifles which are usually somewhere in the rear when most wanted’.

James H. Sutherland

In a chapter in his book The Adventures Of An Elephant Hunter Sutherland gives a brief summary of the rifles he used. At the start of his activities in Mozambique
in 1898 he used .303 Military Rifle, later a Mauser 10.75 mm, .450, .500 NE....He bought a .577 NE and .318 Magazine Rifle from Westley Richards.
Once Sutherland began to use .577 and .318 he never felt the need for any other rifles. Sutherland shot between 1,300 and 1,600 elephants.

C. H. Stigand

.256 Mannlicher and .318 WR magazine rifle for his elephant and other DG hunting.

J.A. Hunter (1887-1963)

known as the first "White Hunter" arrived in Kenya from his native Scotland in 1908.Joined the Safari outfitters Leslie & Tarlton and thereafter spent his entire life as a
Professional Hunter in East Africa. He used several rifles including .416 Rigby, 500 Nitro Express and 505 Gibbs. held several world records for Big Game at various
times, and lead a group that killed 1000 rhinos in a single year in Kenya.

Col. John Henry Patterson, (man-eaters of Tsavo)

.303cal Lee Enfield sporter and .450/400 SxS

Jim Corbett (man-eaters of Kumaon)

.275 bore Rigby mauser and .450/400 SxS

Speaking of doubles, friend of mine just texted me, TEXTED! from the middle of the Bush in Zim, "41" buff in the salt", he used a Gibbs 450NE double... just saying.

The tensile strength of structural steel is around 70-80,000 psi at room temp, and about 10,000 psi at red heat ~1300-1350°F. Melting was unecessary; with so much strength lost from the fire & impact damage, it's surprising they stayed up as long as they did.

How do you think a blacksmith works steel with just a hammer? By heating it up red hot first.

As to your idiotic interpretation of the towers, the reference was to fuel in POUNDS

As to your idiotic interpretation of the towers, the reference was to fuel in POUNDS

... unlike that building in England the JP Fuel burns extremely hot,especially several hundred thousand gallons
delivered at close to 250 kts in a "vessel" (airplane) with a gross weight exceeding 300 thousand pounds. The impact and high temp
blowtorch effect in essence melted the steel as fuel on fire cascaded through the interior of the building..

IT was 90 thousand gallons (JP/Jet A weighs 6.8 lb/gal X90 gal = 612,000 lb. Math is hard, sorry) ...

...Bell was not a PH, he was an ivory poacher...

he lost count of how many elephants he lost when he was going after large quantities of ivory.

FOAD and stick to cutting and pasting your garbage elsewhere.

Bullshit, butthole. My reference to shock was dealing with CATS and deer with high vel SMALLER calibers. .

I'm more a guy that believes in experience, and not what you read from a book. To me, an employee with no college degree,
that has been doing a job for 20years is worth a lot more than some college graduate fresh out of college with all the right papers but no experience.
What I'm trying to say is, listen to what has been observed through our own eyes rather than what some book says.

While smaller prop aircraft measure their fuel load in gallons, jet jockeys and big turboprop drivers measure their fuel load in pounds.