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Originally Posted by erich
Actually it would be a 6x57 Mauser circa 1895, it is getting harder and harder to come up with something new.

You just saved me a walk to the bookshelf to get my copy of CotW.

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..my first was a 25-308 ....


And, what'd you think of it?

Great ..still have it....just a warmed up 257 Roberts...but true short action..learned a lot about hand lodging because of it...developed all the data....it's very accurate ....at its best with 100 gr bulłets...

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Had a few. They make the world go round. 270 Titus is a favorite. Had a 17 Ackley Hornet about 20 years before they were standardized.


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I was young once......it's been a while though. A custom rifle (I'm a sucker for these) in 7X57AI was followed by a 257AI which was followed by a 416 Taylor. I've taken deer with all three and the 7X57 and 416 have been across the pond and used to their fullest.

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I have a Germany Mauser chambered In 8mm-06 For sell

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Shot a .280 GNR, .375 JDJ, and 8mm-06 for awhile, now just a 6X45 and 6X47 is all I own. I started with the 8mm-06 when I was 25, played with the Encore in GNR and JDJ cartridges in my 30's along with the 6X47 (6mm-222 RM). Just built the 6X45 this year at 45 years old.

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243ai, 250ai, 6.5-06ai, 280ai, sold the 6.5-06ai, now thinking about a 6.5-280ai. ( true rifle looney I guess) also had a 30-06ai for a short time. Not sure it’s worth all the trouble but I do enjoy playing with em from time to time.

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Still think I'm young but the paperwork says otherwise.

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I am young at heart and have a 338-378 KT, 35 Whelen IMP, 6mm-06, and 416 Taylor. They are powerful cartridges, but the 35 is the easiest to use.


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Originally Posted by erich
it is getting harder and harder to come up with something new.


it's because everybody's mothers son is playing with the same damned old cases over and over and over again, way past overdue time to dump the '06, 308 Win, x57, 284 Win and especially the belted cases and move on to bigger and better things, how about a new never made before case head diameter ? body diameter, case length, capacity etc. etc .... all you see is the same crap rinsed and repeated and renamed Crapmore that doesn't do squat better than what 100 year old cartridges have been doing, way past time to move on


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I got hooked as a kid in my 20's 40 years ago. I never cared for calibers bigger than .22 though, never saw the need for all the sturm und drang. I went through a lot of the .22's imaginable- the Lovells, Donaldson Wasps (both variations), K's, and a Niedner or two. My favorites are the various Lovell wildcats based on the .25-20 Single Shot case. My current favorite is a .22 Maximum Lovell built on a highly modified Krag action, by Hervey Lovell himself for me around 80 years ago.

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when i was young i thumbed through cartridges of world and decided i had to have a 308 norma mag and 7mm stw.

hindsite it was a very expensive book for me


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Its quite interesting what can be accomplished with the 338-06 or 35 Whelen in a controlled round rifle like
early pre-64 Winchester Model 70s. Mine have the original barrels, which means someone knew exactly what they wanted -and were willing to
arrange the barrel work.

That being said, most of my deer and moose have been killed with the 348 cartridge in the pre-war Winchester Model 71. The 348 Ackley with Woodleigh, Hawk or Alaska Bullet Works bonded 250 gr bullets constitute an amazing combination.
In bear country hunting moose or deer, the moose hunt may quickly accelerate into a big bear hunt. That possibility can bring up an older comparison like weaponry in
Dodge City or Tombstone: having both bolt actions and lever actions, I can tell you the answer. No bolt action can keep up with a fast handling Winchester 1886 or
Model 71 in aimed fire. It cannot be done because of physics and rifle design. The lever action is a standard shift" that helps itself cycle and there is no tendency to drop
the arm from the shoulder.

That is why the serious guides for bear in Alaska and Canada still carry heavy lever actions like the .450 Alaskan wildcat.


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Originally Posted by 450Fuller

Its quite interesting what can be accomplished with the 338-06 or 35 Whelen in a controlled round rifle like
early pre-64 Winchester Model 70s. Mine have the original barrels, which means someone knew exactly what they wanted -and were willing to
arrange the barrel work.

That being said, most of my deer and moose have been killed with the 348 cartridge in the pre-war Winchester Model 71. The 348 Ackley with Woodleigh, Hawk or Alaska Bullet Works bonded 250 gr bullets constitute an amazing combination.
In bear country hunting moose or deer, the moose hunt may quickly accelerate into a big bear hunt. That possibility can bring up an older comparison like weaponry in
Dodge City or Tombstone: having both bolt actions and lever actions, I can tell you the answer. No bolt action can keep up with a fast handling Winchester 1886 or
Model 71 in aimed fire. It cannot be done because of physics and rifle design. The lever action is a standard shift" that helps itself cycle and there is no tendency to drop
the arm from the shoulder.

That is why the serious guides for bear in Alaska and Canada still carry heavy lever actions like the .450 Alaskan wildcat.


I know quite a few Alaskan bear guides but none of them must be “serious bear guides” as none of them use lever actions. Who are these serious bear guides that prefer lever actions?

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I did a bing search for bear guides and their rifles. I found only one serious guide. Most use bolt action rifles mostly in .338 Mag or .375 Mag. Some use .416 or .458 Mags.


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I was still young when I got my first "wildcat," like Woodson the Varmint Hunter magazine poisoned my mind. Steve Timm contributed some of the toxins.
Started with the 22BR as I had a 98 Mauser action, right, and wasn't that impressed with the 22-250.
The BR is on it's third try and second barrel. I enjoy it.
On the list now, I have three rifles in "retirement" that are burnt out and needing a set-back:
1. 2506 to 257 Roberts AI
2. 243 to 6-250 40 degree
3. 221 Fireball (still goes, but someday toL Short-reamed with a 223 AI reamer to make a 221 FURball.

Just something about having things a hair different from the other guy without getting too radical.


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Phil Shoemaker for one- a bear guide from Wasila-who guides the Brooks Range and the Interior. He and his other
guides use old and newer 1895 Winchesters, 1895 Marlins and Model 71s.
He is not a young guide anymore, however and values his client's hides.

That being said, he also has a custom Mauser in 505 Gibbs or he re-chambered it to 500 Jeffrey. The recoil is substantial
but a solid hit requires no backup shot.


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What distinguishes a "serious" guide from a guide? I know/known a good number of AK guides and I've never seen a lever-action among them. Besides, the lever rifles you mention are not CRF, doesn't that make them likely to malfunction when hunting dangerous game?


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Originally Posted by 450Fuller

Phil Shoemaker for one- a bear guide from Wasila-who guides the Brooks Range and the Interior. He and his other
guides use old and newer 1895 Winchesters, 1895 Marlins and Model 71s.
He is not a young guide anymore, however and values his client's hides.

That being said, he also has a custom Mauser in 505 Gibbs or he re-chambered it to 500 Jeffrey. The recoil is substantial
but a solid hit requires no backup shot.


I always thought Phil mainly guided for brown bears in the Alaskan Pensinula rather than he smaller grizzlies from the Brooks and Interior. Maybe he moved his guiding operation as of late to focus on Brooks Range and interior grizzlies these days and coastal brown bears got boring?

Anyways Phil being a gun nut has used a good many rifles and cartridges over the years but I guess he uses his 30-06 or his 458 win or his guides using 375 rugers and such only use those when they aren’t being “serious”. When serious time comes they bust out the lever guns??

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