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Originally Posted by T_Inman
I hit pressure signs somewhere around 2900 with H4350...and backed off a fair ways to save brass life. I think I am between 2800 and 2825: somewhere in there. Don't have my rifle notes book with me. Stupid accurate with H4350; else I'd look at RL17.

Since 140 AMAX are now discontinued and availability of the 143 and 147 ELDs are erratic, I decided to pucker my ass hole and use bergers for this season 'till ELDs are more reliably available. Still with H4350.
Don't be skeered to try a Lapua Scenar. In my limited use I've found them very easy to get to shoot. They have a very good rep on game. My use has only been on pronghorn so far, but I have caught a 165gr Partition from a 30-06 in a pronghorn, but not a Scenar yet from a 260.

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I'll bet a 140 Partition from a 260 would equal or surpass the penetration of a 210 Partition from a 338 WM.


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Yep. I saw a 210 stopped by an average-sized whitetail buck, with a slightly angling chest shot. Have never recovered a 140 from any deer.


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I saw a 140 X-bullet at 3300 stop in a coyote.... crazy schitt happens. Another argument for a little more gun...


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That being said.... my wife and daughter will be chasing elk this fall (antelope and deer also) with a .260 running 130 Accubonds at 2780. I have full confidence in that load.... more importantly, I have full confidence in either of them to be rather judicious about shot selection, and in their ability to place said shot well.


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Bullets do indeed do weird things at times. I had a 260 grain partition out of my .375 H&H not fully penetrate a broadside wolf. That same load has broke both shoulders of bull elk and kept going before...On the other hand, having too much of a bullet is just as bad. I've seen lung shot coyotes run a few hundred yards after being double lunged with "elk" bullets out of my .340 Weatherby...mind boggling since they rarely go 5 feet with the same hit from a .17 Rem and 25 grain HP.

Kind of off subject from the Creed's performance on elk, but it does illustrate that one can never completely trust a given variable.



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If the quartering away angle was really steep, who has opted to bust the hip/pelvis to break them down rather than count on a whole lot of straight line penetration which may well not occur given a correspondingly steep angle of incidence for the bullet's impact?

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Originally Posted by pointer
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I hit pressure signs somewhere around 2900 with H4350...and backed off a fair ways to save brass life. I think I am between 2800 and 2825: somewhere in there. Don't have my rifle notes book with me. Stupid accurate with H4350; else I'd look at RL17.

Since 140 AMAX are now discontinued and availability of the 143 and 147 ELDs are erratic, I decided to pucker my ass hole and use bergers for this season 'till ELDs are more reliably available. Still with H4350.
Don't be skeered to try a Lapua Scenar. In my limited use I've found them very easy to get to shoot. They have a very good rep on game. My use has only been on pronghorn so far, but I have caught a 165gr Partition from a 30-06 in a pronghorn, but not a Scenar yet from a 260.

Scenars are good, both the 123 and 139 in the 6.5 CM (.260 and Swede).

They have a thin jacket, but must have a harder alloy. They seem to stay together better than VLDs and are some of the easiest bullets to develop tight shooting loads.

Look at Scenarshooters portfolio of dead critters.

They do kill stuff.

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Originally Posted by USAFHUNTER
Anyone here use a 6.5 to hunt elk? Heading to Colorado in Oct and will be carrying my Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creed. I carried it last year and was able to take a my first mule deer. I hand load and shoot the 143 eldx bullet. Have pretty good success with H4350 powder although its not the fastest shooting round ever it is very accurate. Any success stories or experience would be appreciated.


Oh boy, that's a stretch!!!! Elk are very very tough animals!!!!


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I have no doubt your 140gr 6.5 bullet will work.

100gr 243 Winchester
130,140,150gr 270 Winchester
140gr NPT, 154gr Hornady 7mm-08
Remington factory 7mm Rem Mag (do not remember the weight)
Have all worked just fine, so I see no reason why a properly placed 140gr 6.5 bullet would not do the job.


150gr Nosler Ballistic Silvertip 300 WSM
165gr C&C 30-06
180gr NPT 300 Win mag
210gr NPT, TSX 338-06
225gr Trophy Bonded 338 Win Mag
250gr C&C 35 Whelen
270gr Hornady 375H&H
Have also worked.

My personal favorite is a 338-06 with 210gr bullets.

I can certainly understand the bigger diameter projectiles for dark timber close range hunting.
If I found myself in that situation, I would probably carry my 9.3x64 loaded with 286gr Hornady or NPT. The 300gr SAF could also get some consideration.
My 9.3 rifle would get the nod simply because it would carry better than my 375 in the thick stuff.


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A .22 will work, just takes you longer to find the animal.. A rancher friend, killed lots with a .222 behind the ear.. Stunt shooting at its best..


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
"What's adequate for elk?" threads always remind of something Layne Simpson wrote years ago, and may be his best quote: "If you can shoot, the .270 Winchester's an elk cartridge. If you can't, it isn't."

Amen


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Originally Posted by huntsman22
every thing has to be bigger in texas.......


Like my Johnson... and thanks for noticing. Still doesn't make a 6.5 Creedmore an appropriate round to hunt elk with. You internet fan boys have been watching too much Outdoor Channel. But keep up the like think... our Country really needs more of that. The guy that disagrees with the in crowd gets demonized. Is this CNN? You'll be talking about the latest and greatest fad round next Fall right before hunting season opens. So predictable... I'll keep killing elk while you are looking for the wounded one that you hit with your "creed". Sounds cool... like Apollo Creed. Maybe thats why it's so popular, because it has such a cool kid name? Damn I hate not being in the in crowd. Now, go look in the mirror, and be disappointed in what you see.


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You got the giant dick part right.

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Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
You got the giant dick part right.


Gawd, isn't that the truth.


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Were you demonized?

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Originally Posted by Big Johnson
Sounds cool... like Apollo Creed.


I actually have a RPR named Apollo Creed. I call him 'Polly'......

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Yeah, in hindsight I came off like a total a-hole. My Apology to huntsman22 and others as such. One of these days I'll learn to keep my fat trap shut and play nice with others... and maybe even keep an open mind every now and then as well. Sorry folks... I'm putting myself in timeout until I learn some manners.


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Dang, you don't see that on here every day, good on ya red.



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Originally Posted by redfoxx
Yeah, in hindsight I came off like a total a-hole. My Apology to huntsman22 and others as such. One of these days I'll learn to keep my fat trap shut and play nice with others... and maybe even keep an open mind every now and then as well. Sorry folks... I'm putting myself in timeout until I learn some manners.


I'll take a guy that can make a mistake, but apologize for it, everyday over a guy that "never makes a mistake", and can never apologize. Well done!


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