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Model 16-7 special #1 fighter

Always wanted one.....

25 O-1, I also have a 27 mini-trailblazer that is quite a handy knife.

Here's my imitation of a 23. CPM154 stainless, Elk shed found in NM while hunting. She's a cutie.

I like your version better than the original.

MM

Thanks, not the first time I've heard that. If you go with stainless, I'd much rather have my CPM154 than Randall's 440C. Good grief..what were they thinking? Of course, that was basically all they had back in the day...they just never changed. Like their O1 carbon..but feel there are better choices there too.

Thanks for the kind words.

Randall is using 440B, not 440C. Sadly.

B? Lord they might as well be grinding pot metal.

it's got a great heat treat. lol

Honestly, I can't figure out why they stay with that steel. Well, other than the fact that they sell every knife they make and have a 5 year waiting list.

Wow....440B?

I guess they don't have a need to change if it's not demanded of them.

I would not rate 440B as a bad steel.
And I would not be surprised if Randall has the chemistry of the steel it buys tweaked to their own specs.
Other makers have done such. Sometimes giving the steel their own name.

Wondering? Any reports of Randalls not holding an edge???

I think you could tweak and heat treat the chit outta 440B and still beat it easily by miles with a dozen other steels. Chris Reeve uses S30V but ran it at 57-58 Rc. What's the point of that? Easy to touch up but at 58 Rc you aren't coming near the potential for S30V.

With all those high priced, long wait period knives out there, I just wondered if there were any reports on Randall 440B edge holding.
I am sure to OP would like to know the same.
Anyone know the Rc they heat treat to?????

For reference 440B spec is .75-.95 % carbon content and 440C is .95-1.2 % carbon content. The rest of the specs are the same.

Also for ref: 154CM is 440C with 4% less Chromium, 0.5% less Manganese and 3.5% more Molybdenum.
S30V has 0.4% more Carbon, no Manganese, 4% more Vanadium and 2% less Molybdenum than 154CM.

But OMG what a big difference in performance to the user in the field. Yeah right. They are Not miles apart.

Geometry and heat treat is often miles apart.

Just my own thoughts.

440B is not the best choice by a long shot, tweaked or not

The diff. between 154 and S30V are a diff. conversation, but 440B is not in the same league. It is just subpar compared to almost any other stainless today...

I am not suggesting for makers to change to 440B.
A higher carbon content gives better results for sure.
Maybe not miles apart though.

I do not remember ever hearing anyone report on Randall Knives edge holding, regardless of the steel used.
Still would like to hear some actual hands on experience with Randalls and with 440B steel.
I am also wondering what Rc they treat it to.

Since Bo was inspired by Bill Scagel, I would think their blades would be well heat treated. I have no idea why
they would go to 440B vs something a bit better, but.......

Grind on.
Tim

Taking the money, and using it help move?

I couldn't imagine living in a place where you are afraid to have something nice.

You still have guns?

Only a couple patterns that I like from Randall, maybe I'm unAmerican?

I do like this song though-

Thank you for that!

My dad was a pharmacist's mate. He was in the south pacific for 36 months. He made 9 island incursions in WWII. My understanding is that when he mustered out, the captain ordered a general quarters and had all the torpedos and the meds inspected. Seems dad refused to let any GI's be in pain. Evidently the stores of morphine were depleted and the captain was afraid that the propellant from the torpedos had been distilled into hooch. At 70, years, when I was 40, ya' give the man a hoe and he could work me down. At 80 he could do one-arm push-ups.

So a song such as this..........


Anywho,

One of the things I've always liked about the knife forum here on 24 hour is the lack of contention that seems to be "stock in trade" these days on so many forums.

Randall's may not be all that, but what the hey.

One of my buds has a sticker in the back window of his truck. It states "cause I can".

What better reason to own Randall's than that!

ya!


GWB

Just the stainless or Randall's in general?




Travis

don't have a clue what steel, but this one skint' out this bear!




and has skint' out a number of hoglets, and has not needed to be resharpened or even touched up!



I figure, if it works............



ya!


GWB


PS: as an aside, my dad had a Coon-Azz bud. The ship they were on was the USS President Adams for 36 months during WWII. The Adams and and three other troop transports were "dubbed" the "unholy four"

http://www.network54.com/Forum/594514/message/1293543320

Anywho, my dad and Griff remained lifelong friends. One year Griff and his family would come to Texas. Next year we'd go there. My dad would never ask directions. Many a nite I spent in the floorboard of the family car while we went up and down the roads along the Mississippi river, lost, while heading to visit. Dad passed in October of 09. Griff passed six months later. We did not take many vacations when I was a kid. The Alamo, and the Griffins......

His son Charles, who once remarked "we lived so far back in the swamps of Louisiana, that he did not know that there were any other white kids in the world other than his sister and me and my brothers till he got into high school", gave me this Randall, so you know it's special!

ya!

GW