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Originally Posted by MikeL2
Be a rebel, get a 300 H&H

Good Answer! smile

But my 30 Whelen is my go to..

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Besides all the known 30-06 advantages, its eaier to load the 30-06 instead of fumbling with smaller cartridges and tiny actions.

Why waste time with a puny 30-06?

A 30-378WBY sounds better based on your criteria. smile

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Originally Posted by ExpatFromOK
Hair splitting is all the fun, gnoahhh! I've got the .30-30 and .300 Savage covered with a .303 British and a 7.62x39 thrown in! More hair splitting!


I've got the .30-30 and .300 Savage covered with..................The .30-30 and .300 Savage. smile

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Besides all the known 30-06 advantages, its eaier to load the 30-06 instead of fumbling with smaller cartridges and tiny actions.

Why waste time with a puny 30-06?

A 30-378WBY sounds better based on your criteria. smile


Agreed. If you're that much of a bumbling, ham handed dope, then I don't think the .30-06 is a big enough step up.

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Wow! This has gone to the second page without anyone making vitriolic pronouncements. I'd say that times really do change.

Differences? From personal experience, I'd say that the 30-06 was a better starting place for me as a reloader. It may be insignificant, but my first loads with the '06 were perfect the first time out. I had to go through multiple iterations with my first 308 WIN before I found one that would group properly.

I will also say that the recoil tables don't tell the whole story of the differences between the two. If you look them up in most tables, the 308 WIN has less recoil with the same bullet. However, that's assuming the rifle weight remains constant. In reality, the 308 WIN is fired from a short action, which normally weighs less. For a big guy like me, it's no big deal. However, with a younger shooter, it can be a problem. Both my sons graduated from 30-30 WIN to 30-06 for deer rifles and preferred '06 over 308 WIN. KYHillChick also shoots a 30-06.


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I loved my 308's, my last one went on a trade for a benchrest rifle. I regret letting it go. It did everything I needed from elk to woodchuck in a small compact cartridge. I've owned 3 30-06's . Two have gone down the road, the other was my father's only big game rifle so it's with me till my son's inherit it. My take , they are the same. And if I was to only own one of them it would be the '06 because of its ability to handle the heavy bullets for big bear(which I will almost assuredly never hunt). I have other rifles to handle the lighter work(260,swede, 6mm) and always have the old man's gun if I need more horsepower. But to be honest even though I'm a pretty big guy I don't really like heavy recoil, and after many kills on deer and some elk see no need. My 308 had a hogue overmolded stock and the recoil pad on the stock made the shock nearly non existent. If I were you I'd get a 308 to try something new, it's fun to experiment with new rifles and reloading. My gun cabinet has a revolving door on it for just that reason.

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I own both and use both. The 308 is 5 oz. lighter than my 06 which really doesn't matter. For Elk I use 165's in the 308 and 180's in the 06. Deer I use 150's in both. Pronghorn I use a 257 Wby. Flip a coin.

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Expat, since you primarily shoot factory loads, I'd go 308.

Having owned a fair pile of each, I've found the 308 generally a bit more accurate, particularly with factory ammo. It also is loaded hotter than the 30-06, and will generally equal it.

Handloaded, I think the 30-06 handles 180 and 200 grain bullets better than the 308, but even a 180 at 2,630 from a 308 is nothing to sneeze at. Having killed a fair bit of the same game with both, I can't say I've ever seen any difference, and it would likely take several lifetimes to attempt to find any.

In identical rifles, loaded to their full potential, I find the 308 kicks noticeably less.

Reading between the lines, I think your gut is telling you to go 308...


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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Besides all the known 30-06 advantages, its eaier to load the 30-06 instead of fumbling with smaller cartridges and tiny actions.



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I think either cartridge would be just fine. The 30-06 earned its reputation long ago, when loads for it were about like 308 loads today. As a rule, there’s about 100 fps difference between the 308 and the 30-06. That said, I've seen velocities with factory loads with the same bullet weight vary by as much 150 fps, so a fast 308 might outrun a slow 30-06. The 30-06 has a slight edge with bullets 180 grains and up, but 150-165-grain bullets are so good these days that you probably don’t need 180’s.

Factory ammo for both cartridges is superb, but the 30-06 tends to offer bit more choice if you have to buy what’s on the shelves in a specific store. You can get pretty much anything for either of them online.

With what you said about how you use this rifle, I’d upgrade to a better 30-06 barrel and glass bed the rifle, then spend some time chronographing loads and working up a drop chart.


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If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.
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I own a 30-06 but if I was going to buy another I would get a .308. A Win Model 70 Featherweight to be exact. I like the short action and medium weight as well as the classic good looks. .308 is plenty for the elk we have around here.


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100 or so FPS across the board in favor of the 30-06. Not a difference in the field, only a numbers hawk worries about that.

Your issue is the rifle obviously. Since we are talking hunting rifles I can honestly say that if I took two of the same model, lets say it's a Ruger American, I would not think I would find any real difference in accuracy. Dang sure no difference that will be seen in the field.


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Originally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Besides all the known 30-06 advantages, its eaier to load the 30-06 instead of fumbling with smaller cartridges and tiny actions.



Winner of the picking flyshit out of pepper award. Hunted with both (180 & 165s) can't see ANY difference.


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Originally Posted by gnoahhh
Meh. The .308 is a newfangled idea that'll never catch on.

Seems I remember that being said about smokeless powder... grin

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Winner of the picking flyshit out of pepper award.

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Originally Posted by Brad


Handloaded, I think the 30-06 handles 180 and 200 grain bullets better than the 308, but even a 180 at 2,630 from a 308 is nothing to sneeze at. Having killed a fair bit of the same game with both, I can't say I've ever seen any difference, and it would likely take several lifetimes to attempt to find any.



I think that about sums it up. I think the main thing the /06 does is provide a bit more on the front end with heavies and extend the range on the longer end. But, If I'm looking to extend my range, the /06 is not my first choice.

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According to my shoulder, a light weight .308 kicks about as much as a 30-06 sporter. It seems a good decision is deciding if you want a new rifle, or if you want to rebarrel with a match grade custom barrel that doesn't foul as much as a factory barrel.

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Originally Posted by StrayDog
According to my shoulder, a light weight .308 kicks about as much as a 30-06 sporter. It seems a good decision is deciding if you want a new rifle, or if you want to rebarrel with a match grade custom barrel that doesn't foul as much as a factory barrel.


Pretty much. Regarding recoil, the calculator on Handloads.com show the following combos both having roughly 18lbs of recoil. So it's about a pound and a half of rifle weight to make recoil equal when both are shooting warm 165gr loads with 22-24" barrels.

7lb .308win (165gr at 2,700 with 45gr charge)
8.5lb 30-06 (165gr at 2,850 with 58gr charge)



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I have two, .308s, that both shoot 150 Interlocks extremely well. I get over 2900 fps with them both. I recently inherited a Savage .30-06 and it shoots the same bullet right at 3000 fps and shoots 1/2 moa at 300 yards. I was going to re-barrel the '06, but it shoots so good, that I think it is staying as is.

I like the .308s real well, but there is no fly on the '06, either. Flip a coin.

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