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TAC works well, especially with 150's.
I tried a bunch of new powders in the .30-30 this past year, after mostly relying on IMR4895 and RL-15 for quite a while. Not surprisingly, since there are so many powders in the IMR4895/RL-15 burn-rate range, a bunch of powders worked very well. Among the stars were:
Speer 100-grain Plinker: 35.0 RL-7 @ 3000 fps
Prvi Partisan 110 RN: 34.0 RL-7 @ 2900 fps
Sierra 125 FNHP: 35.0 LT-32 @ 2700 fps
(2nd most accurate load)
Hornady 150 RN: 32.0 IMR4895 @ 2150 fps (3rd most accurate load)
38.5 Leverevolution @ 2450 fps (average accuracy but top velocity 150's)
33.0 TAC @ 2350 fps (better accuracy than Leverevolution, but not quite as fast)
Hornady 160 FTX: 37.0 Leverevolution @ 2470 fps
Nosler 170 Partition: 32.5 Varget @ 2200 fps
Speer 170 FN: 36.0 Leverevolution @ 2400 fps
32.0 grains Norma 201 @ 2300 fps (most accurate load of any tried)
These were shot in a 24-inch barrel (Winchester Model 64).
I have a 2400 fps load with the 170 Noslers in a modern 26" octagon barreled 94 Winchester, accurate 200 yard gong hits with the Lyman receiver peep are a piece of cake, I can't stress how surprised I was at the level of penetration of that bullet, it is a plow.
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You guys are great & while I guess this should have been under the single shot forum all have been gracious in sharing loads. Again thank you.
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Yeah, the 170 Partition penetrates pretty well! I know of a few Montana elk that have been .30-30'd with it. While I haven't shot vast numbers of them into deer, haven't recovered one, even on severely angling shots.
I also knew a guy who really liked them as a "woods" bullet in the .308 Winchester. He said they really whacked whitetails, but I haven't tried it--yet.
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I got excellent results with LVR and 170g Noslers. High velocity and good accuracy. CFE 223 did almost as well. Surprised only one plug for Lever Evolution. I have been disappointed in how little data has been offered. Has been stated that this powder is not suitable for many calibers yet where it works it really works & 30 -30 is one place where it works. I am not a 30 30 guy here. Lever truly gives me best velocities by a surprising margin, in another cartridge with fine accuracy. Sorry to say no factory data w LVR in my favorite cartridge, that I and many others have been using this propellant.
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I've found IMR 3031 to be very accurate in my guns, and I've recently gone to Leverevolution for the same gun due to the extra 150-200 fps and cleaner bore, with equal accuracy. I tried H4895, and it was just OK in the 2 or 3 .30-30's I've tried it in. accuracy close to 3031, but slightly slower.
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gunner,
Yeah, the 170 Partition penetrates pretty well! I know of a few Montana elk that have been .30-30'd with it. While I haven't shot vast numbers of them into deer, haven't recovered one, even on severely angling shots.
I also knew a guy who really liked them as a "woods" bullet in the .308 Winchester. He said they really whacked whitetails, but I haven't tried it--yet. Great to hear ALL that MD, I've yet to recover one in deer or pigs, it's a great bullet, and very glad to hear it'll dispatch elk, have often though of carrying it if I ever get to go on a black bear hunt.
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15 or so years ago I tried then available powders in search of the perfect medium-capacity bottleneck rifle powder; with emphasis on the 30-30 Winchester. In my case it turned out to be H4895 and examples of its goodness are listed here: http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/in-defense-of-the-30-30-winchester/Turns out it is just as good in my other 'everything gun' the 30-06 Springfield. I am a pretty boring reloader because these days, H4895 is the only rifle powder I buy. Edited to add: Dang Creeker, I just figured out it was you! Hope you are well; blessings to you and the family.
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Lever Evolution is clearly the best powder for my Model 94 32 Special with 165gr FTX bullets. Accurate 2495 is also a good powder.
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I have used 4895, it works if that is what you have on hand. 3031 and 4064 both work well on all the midsized 30 caliber cartridges. I keep them both around as general use powders.
My go to for a 170 gr hunting load is 3031. Though, there is little difference when using 4064.in this cartridge.
I shoot a lot of trail boss in it these days. TB and a 170 gr lead RNFP make a good economical plinking leaver.
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TAC works well, especially with 150's.
I tried a bunch of new powders in the .30-30 this past year, after mostly relying on IMR4895 and RL-15 for quite a while. Not surprisingly, since there are so many powders in the IMR4895/RL-15 burn-rate range, a bunch of powders worked very well. Among the stars were:
Speer 100-grain Plinker: 35.0 RL-7 @ 3000 fps
Prvi Partisan 110 RN: 34.0 RL-7 @ 2900 fps
Sierra 125 FNHP: 35.0 LT-32 @ 2700 fps
(2nd most accurate load)
Hornady 150 RN: 32.0 IMR4895 @ 2150 fps (3rd most accurate load)
38.5 Leverevolution @ 2450 fps (average accuracy but top velocity 150's)
33.0 TAC @ 2350 fps (better accuracy than Leverevolution, but not quite as fast)
Hornady 160 FTX: 37.0 Leverevolution @ 2470 fps
Nosler 170 Partition: 32.5 Varget @ 2200 fps
Speer 170 FN: 36.0 Leverevolution @ 2400 fps
32.0 grains Norma 201 @ 2300 fps (most accurate load of any tried)
These were shot in a 24-inch barrel (Winchester Model 64).
Just piced up a old Glenfield 30 in 30/30 with the 1/2 mag, going to work up some of these 
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I compared the Lever powder to h 4895 in the 300 savage. ( using model 99 actions)
I don't have the data in front of me but my conclusion was the Lever powder got more bullet speed than h 4895 out of the shorter carbine barreled 300 savage cartridge. As the barrels got longer the difference became less.
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Old school here.I started using 3031 back it he 70's and never had reason to switch.Fellow can waste lot of time trying every new powder that hits the market
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I have...but Win 748 is absolutely your Huckleberry in the .30wcf This. I quit trying other powders after using W 748 in the 30/30.
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I use the age old 30 grains of imr30-31...
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I use what ever is handy.. It is not a benchrest rifle..
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748 and 3031 are my two favorites. I used to use AA 2520 as well with pretty darned decent results. I used it because it was a pretty versatile powder that worked in several other cartridges I loaded...(IIRC .308, .30-06, .303, .30-30, .32 Win Spl, etc).
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I've been playing with AR-Comp and Sierra & Speer 170s. It seems to be as accurate as I can possibly be with iron sights.
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IMR-3031 or 748 and 170 gr. cast bullets. Never tried anything that killed or shot any better.
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Ran some 4895 loads years ago along with a few other powders including Leverevolution but eventually settled on IMR-3031 for 170 grs. and BL-C2 for 150 gr. stuff.
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