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#12266679 - 09/12/17 Black horn 209  
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What would be a good load in an encore

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#12266785 - 09/12/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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You did not indicate the bullet weight you are using. Generally speaking start at 90.0 grains and work up to 110 grains in 5 grain increments and your rifle should find a sweetspot.

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80-90 grains works well in mine with 350's.



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#12267103 - 09/12/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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Just remember that if you weigh your charges, the formula is 70% of the volumetric charge. Either way is fine, but I prefer to weigh charges and put them in the BH tubes for convenience. I also use the tubes to carry bullets, two to the tube.




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#12276895 - 09/17/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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75 grains (weighed) and 250 gr bullet for me in my Knight and dads Omega.

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#12276928 - 09/17/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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100 gr by volume with a 300 gr Barnes bullet


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#12276968 - 09/17/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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Had a monster buck at 30 yds broadside last yr bigger than anything I've ever shot at muz ldr hung fire with the pellets and he got away so I'm doing things different

#12283231 - 09/20/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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77.5grs by weight and a Harvester Scorpion PT Gold 300gr bullet in a Harvester Crush Rib sabot from my Encore.


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#12284317 - 09/21/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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Originally Posted by earlybrd
Had a monster buck at 30 yds broadside last yr bigger than anything I've ever shot at muz ldr hung fire with the pellets and he got away so I'm doing things different


BH209 is even harder to ignite than pellets. You might want to see if there is another reason for your hang fire such as a dirty breach plug. Clean it out with a 1/8th" drill bit and see what comes out. You might be in for a surprise.

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#12288344 - 09/23/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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Good tip with the 1/8" bit. It is amazing what will come out of the channel.


I drilled the flash hole on my breech plug with a #55 bit as well.


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#12288451 - 09/23/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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A pin vise makes twisting the drills a lot easier. Soaking the plug in a film (!) can of solvent helps too.

Last week, I used 777 pellets for the first time sighting in a rifle for someone else. No ignition trouble, but the plug got really crudded up, even well-slopped up with anti-sieze goop when I forgot to break the crust after the first few shots. Ballistol to the rescue! The crud ring in the barrel was easy to keep down with a damp patch, followed by a dry one and firing a cap.

For the guns that can use it, 209 is clearly the way to go. Actually, a sidelock is easier and more pleasant to shoot and clean up after than either of the inlines I've played with, whether with loose 777 or BP. I regret letting my old TC Greyhawk go. It was about as easy and simple as it gets in muzzleloading.




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#12294366 - 09/25/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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I use 100 gns by volume with a Barnes 300 grain expander 50 cal. It shoots 1 1/2 at 100 yards. Never tried anything different. In my experience with 209, If you hunt with it and don't shoot it you should pull the breech plug and push your charge out every day and reload each day with a fresh charge, If you do shoot. Clean the barrel before sitting all day hunting. It is the hardest substitute to light and if you are going to rely on it have a fresh charge in a clean barrel. I know because I didn't do the above and had hang fires and failure to fires.
If you just want the ultimate reliability use black powder. It will light if the cap goes off. Just a pain to clean after use.

#12300955 - 09/28/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: Hogwild7]  
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Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I use 100 gns by volume with a Barnes 300 grain expander 50 cal. It shoots 1 1/2 at 100 yards. Never tried anything different. In my experience with 209, If you hunt with it and don't shoot it you should pull the breech plug and push your charge out every day and reload each day with a fresh charge, If you do shoot. Clean the barrel before sitting all day hunting. It is the hardest substitute to light and if you are going to rely on it have a fresh charge in a clean barrel. I know because I didn't do the above and had hang fires and failure to fires.
If you just want the ultimate reliability use black powder. It will light if the cap goes off. Just a pain to clean after use.


All that is just absolutely upside down from what I know about BH209 from my experience, son's experience and bro-n-law's experience. If you're having trouble lighting it off you're doing something wrong. Read the free advice at blackhorn209.com about breech plugs, primers and cleaning. Pushing out a live charge at the end of the day is nothing but a waste of time and powder. I've left a load in the barrel for months a couple of times before firing. One Winchester 209 primer and the gun goes bang. BH is extremely stable in the barrel. As far as cleaning the barrel to avoid hang fires I have no idea how you put those two together. Residue from BH will be in the barrel after firing but it is light and does not hinder ignition. And the residue does not appear to attract moisture. The times I have left a charge in the barrel for months was with residue present. Cleaned out with the same cleaner as used with smokeless and with the same results. Regular hang fires or misfires are telling you there's a problem; most likely with either your breech plug or your primers. When using BH209 the dirtiest component in the mix is the primer. Crud from them will eventually clog the flash channel if it is left uncleaned no matter what propellant is used.


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#12301244 - 09/29/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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I had a misfire once with '209. Of course, that was after hunting in the rain for two days.



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#12301375 - 09/29/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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If it wasn't for BH209 I'd not be in to muzzleloaders.

#12302252 - 09/29/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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I just fired a load I had in my barrel since December of last year.

It went bang.


#12302535 - 09/29/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: EZEARL]  
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Originally Posted by EZEARL
If it wasn't for BH209 I'd not be in to muzzleloaders.


Me too...


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#12303178 - 09/30/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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I've been using BH209 for several years now in my CVA Optima V2. Using 100 gr (volume) and a 200 gr TC shockwave, and a CCI 209 magnum primer. Goes bang every time, groups well, kills deer dead. Used same load in my TC Encore, but the CVA shoots better.

#12303369 - 09/30/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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Just got a Magspark adapter for my Renegade that will supposedly let me use BH209. We shall see. It's as much about being able to use whatever powder and primers I can get in both my rifles as anything. I also have a BP plug and bolt for my Knight Ultralight.

Checked with the manufacturer of BH and pressures are similar to loose 777, so no worries there, just about ignition.




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#12315124 - 10/05/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: earlybrd]  
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Pappy, I'll be interested in how the Magspark works with BH209, please update us when you get a chance.


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#12315443 - 10/06/17 Re: Black horn 209 [Re: Son_of_the_Gael]  
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Will do. My Knight is next up for the range, but that should hopefully be a sighting check.

There's some info on the NAML site run by Toby Bridges. He's a believer, and while he has sponsors, I doubt the Magspark guy is priming his pump to push this. I spoke with the owner at Warren at some length on the phone and it seems like a small, family business. Nice folks, with some interesting products.




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