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#12267893 - 09/13/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: qwk]  
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Originally Posted by qwk
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Check it out: 2 + 2 = 4

There, I doubled your knowledge base.

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wow, impressive.

But seriously, you seem to have very little knowledge about real world experiences. Anyone that thinks BT's don't cause bloodshot meat either has no experience with the bullet or is an idiot. Pure and simple.


Pay attention dipshit, I never said Ballistic Tips can't or never cause bloodshot meat. I said your statement about "all you get is bloodshot meat" was BS. I know from actually shooting deer with them that correctly chosen Ballistic Tips don't blow up and/or cause excessive bloodshot meat.

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I like tipped bullets for deer, but not Barnes. I've never shot them, and I likely never will. Most dramatic deer kills through the ribs have been with SST's. Target BTHP also do a fine job of laying them down right there for me. Plain ole soft points often do a good job too. As others have said, BT's are great too, but I'd pick a light for caliber one for deer hunting. If I was packing a 7-08 for deer only, I'd shoot 120 BT's, or 139 SST's for tipped bullets. I've seen softball-sized holes through deer with that 139 out of a WSM at normal to longer ranges.


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#12268062 - 09/13/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: JPro]  
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Originally Posted by JPro
It's fairly relative. A moderate weight for caliber NBT at a MV under 2,900fps or so does not always result in a lot of damage to meat. A lighter NBT pushed at high speeds often can. A 140gr NBT from a 7mm-08 is a great deer bullet, but I've seen it be dang devastating at 3,300fps when impacts are close. That's to be expected.....
Yes, you are right. At lower velocity and/or close range anything is possible. Trouble is, very few guys run wimpy loads for hunting, and factory loads are pretty stout most of the time.

The ttsx doesn't bloodshot meat very often, whether pushed hard or not, close or far.

#12268085 - 09/13/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: mathman]  
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Originally Posted by mathman
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Check it out: 2 + 2 = 4

There, I doubled your knowledge base.

You're welcome.
wow, impressive.

But seriously, you seem to have very little knowledge about real world experiences. Anyone that thinks BT's don't cause bloodshot meat either has no experience with the bullet or is an idiot. Pure and simple.


Pay attention dipshit, I never said Ballistic Tips can't or never cause bloodshot meat. I said your statement about "all you get is bloodshot meat" was BS. I know from actually shooting deer with them that correctly chosen Ballistic Tips don't blow up and/or cause excessive bloodshot meat.
Stop backpeddaling. You are very good at that. In my experience, they have caused bloodshot meat in EVERY big game animal that was hit anywhere near the meat. This is a sample of over 100+ kills over a time of about 10 years. Muzzle velocity was 3-3.2k. Very rare to have an exit wound. Both 7mm and 30 cal bullets. The ttsx is the exact opposite. Very little bloodshot meat, always an exit wound(even on 40+ inches of penetration on bull elk). The sample size is smaller, 3 bull elk, around 10 deer. It's enough for me to know which one I'm not going to be using again.

What's your experience?

#12268114 - 09/13/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: Windfall]  
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TSX's were inconsistent at best in the few times I used them. In contrast, the TTSX have been fantastic and now is my first choice for hunting.

The key to success is to maintain 2000 fps or higher at impact.

Punch the numbers to determine the maximum range which will maintain that minimum velocity at impact and it is good to go.

#12268137 - 09/13/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: qwk]  
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No backpedaling, just straightening out your warped perception of the meaning of my comment.

Experience with Ballistic Tips? I've been loading Ballistic Tips since the 1980's ones, including in fast steppers like 264 Win. mag, 300 Win. mag, 7mm Wby mag and 270 Winchester. These were for deer/pig loads used by my late father and myself. So I do know if you put an early generation soft one from a 7mm Wby into a quartering on shoulder you'll get a lot of bloodshot. During those times we went back to Interlocks.

But you said "all you get with those is bloodshot meat" and that's simply not the case any more. For over a decade I (or close friends I load for) have been using current issue Ballistic Tips from 308 Winchester, 7mm08, 260 Rem, 243 Winchester and others without messing up a bunch of meat.

I don't have a bunch of TTSX experience like I do with the BT, but I'm not running down the TTSX either.

You made a very general and absolute statement. That's all I'm disputing.

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.338 cal 160 TTSX at over 3k works fabulously. But the 'eat to the hole' idea is certainly not accurate. They make a complete mess of shoulders on close shots. 185 TTSX worked well too, but left surprisingly small exits especially considering the internal damage. Only used 180 BT on one bull elk and it worked, but did not penetrate like the TTSX (again, data point of one...). Partition is really just a soft bullet with a piece that keeps going. Hard to not like that. A 180 PT out of a 308 left a nice silver dollar sized exit hole and essentially removed the heart of a whitetail.

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#12269441 - 09/14/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: mathman]  
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Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by qwk
... I'm not sure why so many like Nosler BT, all you get with those is bloodshot meat. ...


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Originally Posted by ingwe
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Originally Posted by qwk
... I'm not sure why so many like Nosler BT, all you get with those is bloodshot meat. ...


BS


I love it when new members show up and they are already experts! laugh


Reasonable people with differing opinions, no problem. It's the ones who blow in brash and bold that get me going.

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Originally Posted by mathman
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Originally Posted by qwk
... I'm not sure why so many like Nosler BT, all you get with those is bloodshot meat. ...


BS


I love it when new members show up and they are already experts! laugh


Reasonable people with differing opinions, no problem. It's the ones who blow in brash and bold that get me going.



Reasonable people? You mean like those who put ice in whiskey?
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No need to debase the conversation.

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#12269510 - 09/14/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: boliep]  
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Originally Posted by boliep


Is the Barnes TTSX that good?

No

why say so ? they are a fairly efficient.

#12269542 - 09/14/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: Windfall]  
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I've used various Barnes bullets almost exclusively for the past 30 years or so in calibers from 223 to 375. The current Barnes bullets are very accurate but they are not magic. If you want DRT you need to hit the CNS. That dictates high shoulder or neck shots. If you want big holes and exit wounds and Stevie Wonder blood trails Barnes should not be your first choice.

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#12269610 - 09/14/17 Re: Is the Barnes TTSX that good? [Re: Windfall]  
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Well said, I don't need "Stevie Wonder" smile blood trails, but what with global warming it is getting to be a rare deer season where we have any snow at all and that blood trail is all that I have to find them by. Last light to find them before the predators two or four legged get them means that I'm not in the mood for hide and seek for very long, so I want a leaky exit wound because two holes bleed better than one. Lots of you guys shoot way farther than I do, so accuracy is secondary to terminal performance in my woods.


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Originally Posted by ingwe
Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by qwk
... I'm not sure why so many like Nosler BT, all you get with those is bloodshot meat. ...


BS


I love it when new members show up and they are already experts! laugh


That's whey they're here. So we can "know" as much as they do when they're done telling us!

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Originally Posted by Windfall
Well said, I don't need "Stevie Wonder" smile blood trails, but what with global warming it is getting to be a rare deer season where we have any snow at all and that blood trail is all that I have to find them by. Last light to find them before the predators two or four legged get them means that I'm not in the mood for hide and seek for very long, so I want a leaky exit wound because two holes bleed better than one. Lots of you guys shoot way farther than I do, so accuracy is secondary to terminal performance in my woods.


Let's not forget to mention "old eyes" either. good grief! My kid shot his first deer last fall in WI. Nice tracking snow on the ground, I found hair but not blood. I wave him over. Kid walks right up, and says "is this blood dad?" It's the teeny tiniest speck of blood you'll never see. "Yessir, that's blood." then, "oh theres another one." crazy even in the snow, I'd never have seen it if he didn't point it out.

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Originally Posted by Windfall
Well said, I don't need "Stevie Wonder" smile blood trails, but what with global warming it is getting to be a rare deer season where we have any snow at all and that blood trail is all that I have to find them by. Last light to find them before the predators two or four legged get them means that I'm not in the mood for hide and seek for very long, so I want a leaky exit wound because two holes bleed better than one. Lots of you guys shoot way farther than I do, so accuracy is secondary to terminal performance in my woods.

Global warming? Now the inability to find shot animals is also blamed on global warming? Give me an f'n break.


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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Windfall
Well said, I don't need "Stevie Wonder" smile blood trails, but what with global warming it is getting to be a rare deer season where we have any snow at all and that blood trail is all that I have to find them by. Last light to find them before the predators two or four legged get them means that I'm not in the mood for hide and seek for very long, so I want a leaky exit wound because two holes bleed better than one. Lots of you guys shoot way farther than I do, so accuracy is secondary to terminal performance in my woods.

Global warming? Now the inability to find shot animals is also blamed on global warming? Give me an f'n break.


Maybe I should put him on "ignore". I may need counseling after reading his post. crazy


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Lots of things get better with age, but eyes ain't one of them.


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Originally Posted by Windfall
Lots of things get better with age, but eyes ain't one of them.


Hopefully your posts will follow suit. It only took you 47 posts to make a fool out of yourself.


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A .338 160 TTSX messes up just as much meat as a .338 180 BT in my limited experience. Both will mess up an elk shoulder on close shots. I'd choose the TTSX every day. At least it penetrates better.

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Originally Posted by Windfall
The Interlocks or Core-Lokts batter in the magazine.


You may want to try Sierra hollow point game kings, Nosler BT or Hornady Interbonds. I am also curious about the TTSX on deer, and may try them this season.

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I have decided I only need ttsx bullets in my 22 caliber deer rifles.
the old cup and core bullets seem to be plenty adequate when driven at 2700 to 2900 at the short range hunting available here, when used in larger calibers

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