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#12268379 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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Originally Posted by moosemike
Apparently since the .22 Savage HP was loaded with a 71 grain bullet it was intended for big game. This of course was in the days of iron sights and .30-.35 rifles shooting medium velocity round nose bullets. Introducing a .22 centerfire for big game for deer at that time seems odd to me. And I don't think they sold too many. Correct me wherever I'm wrong because it's a cartridge I just have never "gotten".




Wasen't the 5.6X52R made in europe for double guns with a rifle barrel before Savage came out with the 22HP which is the same cartridge ?


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#12268406 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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I wonder if anybody ever killed an elephant with a 22 High Power ?


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#12268452 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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They are one and the same, developed by Charles Newton. The 5.6X52R is just the metric designation of the same cartridge, Joe.


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#12268491 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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You missed the .25-20 WCF (I miss it too!).


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#12268508 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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.22HP started out in the good ol' US of A. The 5.6x52R was/is used in combination guns and kiplaufs (single shot break open stalking rifles). In all my time searching for things HP, I never stumbled onto a double rifle and believe me I've looked. I would love to see such an animal.

I'm still kicking myself in the butt for ignoring a BRNO kiplauf in 5.6x52R. Imagine that- a modern strong rifle with a .228 bore and fast twist to handle the long heavy bullets.

Add the .236 Lee Navy to the list. Commercially loaded ammo was available in the early 1900's.

I wonder if Newton/Savage was eying the success of the small-ish bored European military cartridges of the time- to whit, the various 6.5mm's.

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#12268813 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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Can you buy brass for the 22 HP anymore? (Yes, I'm a reloader)
I have an opportunity to buy an 1899 22HP made in 1913 but its 50% condition overall. SN 145720


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#12268841 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: Sportsdad60]  
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Originally Posted by Sportsdad60
Can you buy brass for the 22 HP anymore? (Yes, I'm a reloader)
I have an opportunity to buy an 1899 22HP made in 1913 but its 50% condition overall. SN 145720

Sellier & Bellott sells loaded ammo for it but I don't know about just brass

#12269079 - 09/13/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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None of the big guys here in America makes brass for it. RWS makes it but I have found only a few boxes of it over the years- excellent stuff if you find any. Norma and S&B sell tons of ammo, but no brass that I'm aware of. (As for shooting that stuff to get the brass, beware that it's loaded hot and that accounts for two strikes against its potential case life.) Sometimes old U.S. brass turns up- Rem-UMC, Western, Winchester, etc. and it's generally good stuff, but take care to anneal the neck/shoulders of it to prevent splitting, it's old and a bit brittle, and hold your loads down to a sane level. I use 60-70 year old brass all the time, but I don't hotrod my .22HP's either. Ditto old stocks of Canadian made Dominion stuff.

Truth be told, your best bet is to just use .25-35 brass (available once again, but for how long is anybody's guess). One pass into the .22HP die and your all set. .30-30 is another option and it yields excellent brass but you'll have to go through some gymnastics to get it down to .22HP. Because .30-30 brass is a viable source there will never be an excuse not to load for the HP (bullet availability not withstanding- get a mold and never worry about bullets ever again).


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#12269428 - 09/14/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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gnoahhh, great info. I assume trimming would be in order after passing 25-35 brass through a .22HP die?
Moosemike, thanks for that info.


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Nope, no trimming necessary except to square the mouths if needed.


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#12269666 - 09/14/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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Thank you sir.


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#12270280 - 09/14/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: Sportsdad60]  
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Take a close look at the bore before you buy, as most 22 HPs were made/sold/used prior to the widespread up of non-corrosive primers and that resulted in a lot of 22 HPs with rough/pitted bores.

I have long thought that the 22 HP is an exercise in frustration/disappointment for most people who take it on, so jump in with your eyes wide open.

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Take a close look at the bore before you buy, as most 22 HPs were made/sold/used prior to the widespread up of non-corrosive primers and that resulted in a lot of 22 HPs with rough/pitted bores.

I have long thought that the 22 HP is an exercise in frustration/disappointment for most people who take it on, so jump in with your eyes wide open.


Not an exercise in frustration per se, but definitely not something I was interested in continuing. After all Savages come in 22-250 so what's the point? I can hit sheit at 500 yards with one a them.


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#12271221 - 09/14/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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I don't feel like walking 500 yards to see where I hit, so what's the point? grin


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#12271285 - 09/14/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: gnoahhh]  
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#12271400 - 09/14/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: Sportsdad60]  
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keep looking you never know when 22HP brass will show up, bought lots MISSED MORE than i bought.

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#12271711 - 09/15/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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The range my buddy shoots at allows people to scrounge the brass buckets. He goes up a week or so before deer season and picks 30-30 out for me. He picked 300 cases and got tired. Then I gave a friend 15-20 pounds of mono type to cast bullets, and he gave me another 300 cases. So, I use 30-30. I think we did have to trim them a bit. Mine is showing some head space issues, the primers are popping a little. Since this one has an original Malcolm scope on it , shooting it a lot is not high on my list of things to do. I'd like to pick up another one for a shooter. I do plan on taking a deer with the Malcolm this year, as a start on the Savage slam, Joe.


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#12272917 - 09/15/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: Sportsdad60]  
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Originally Posted by Sportsdad60
Can you buy brass for the 22 HP anymore? (Yes, I'm a reloader)
I have an opportunity to buy an 1899 22HP made in 1913 but its 50% condition overall. SN 145720

Grafs has some in stock made by Norma; pricey though. https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/647?

#12273687 - 09/16/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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Wow, that is a little pricey. I bought a bunch of Norma brass in 303 when I got my 1926 F. I don't remember it being that much. Grafs also have 25-35 brass for less than $30 for 50 cases, Joe.


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#12273692 - 09/16/17 Re: What was the thinking behind the .22 HP? [Re: moosemike]  
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A little off topic, and I think I asked Gary this question, but I forgot the answer. The friend that gave me the bag of 30-30 brass, for the bucket of lead, had about 300 cases in it. I was sorting it by make. A bunch of it was head stamped 30 WCF. When did they stop head stamping brass with 30 WCF and change to 30-30? Joe.


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