Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#12268428 - 09/13/17 .17 Hornet...ugh.  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
Mule Deer,

I have really warmed up to my CZ Varminter. Plenty accurate and after I monkeyed with it and got it to feed it has been great.

I am still struggling with the hand loading for it though.

My least favorite activity at the bench is case prep. I dont mind so much the chamfer and deburr process, but cutting primer pockets is lame.

Most of the pockets are the correct depth, but all of the pockets need chamfered so a primer will seat and not crush. I imagine its like crimped brass.

I understand that buying empty brass is silly when loaded ammo is so cheap, but I would rather not buy a bunch more ammo with goofy primer pockets.

Is there a way to look up lot numbers to be able to tell if the ammo inside the box has good pockets? I assume the more recent ammo is good to go, but my luck would be to buy a bunch of older stuff.

Is there a lot number break you are aware of?


Secondly, I could use some guidance on a powder measure......specifically the adapters for each caliber size.

I use an older Uniflow that I bought new probably 15 years ago. It was the style with the screw in adapters. I did not have a .17 adapter for it so I had to "upgrade" to the slip in O ring style from RCBS.

I find these adapters to be much worse than the old screw in style. They are bulkier and deeper. I had to shave a bunch off the .17 adapter to get it to where it would not spill as much powder. There is still a gap around the case mouth and a 17 hornet case will slip right through the hole.

AA 1680 is fine granulated, as you know, and it does not bridge the gap.


What measure and adapter are you using for your .17 Hornet activities?

Thanks in advance

Jim Conrad

CMG 300 BP

#12268461 - 09/13/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 14,504
huntsman22 Online content
Campfire 'Bwana
huntsman22  Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 14,504
Kiowa/Deer Trail, Colorado
Jim, I have a 4" clear plastic drop tube that screws right into my uniflow. I've had it forever, so can't remember the maker. It has a gray plastic 17 cal tip that fits the hornet perfectly. The nice thing is, if powder does bridge, you can see it and give the handle another tap to finish the fill....... Maybe MD does something different.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Last edited by huntsman22; 09/13/17.
#12268553 - 09/13/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
Thanks. That looks ideal!

I did not know that other companies made products that would fit the Uniflow. I will look into that.

#12268630 - 09/13/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Mule Deer  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Banana Belt, Montana
Hi Jim,

I use a Redding BR-30 measure with a Redding .17 caliber adapter, which friction-fits onto the outside of the standard spout. But in the past have purchased plastic .17 funnels and cut them off, taping them to the spout of other measures. This works too, but doesn't look nearly as slick as the adapter Huntsman uses!

I don't know what lot numbers of .17 Hornet brass have problem primer pockets, but maybe Hornady will provide that info. The one batch I got that had the shallow pockets was once-fired brass purchased off the Campfire Classifieds. I used a stout drill motor with a Redding pocket uniformer to deepen around 250 pockets, but would just as soon not do it again.

That said, I use so many different kinds of brass that some inevitably needs the edges of the primer pockets chamfered. These days I use the same drill motor with a 45-degree wood-screw countersink, giving it just enough of a zip to knock the edge off. Just did this a couple weeks ago with 200 pieces of once-fired Black Hills .308 match brass, and it didn't take long at all.

Glad you're liking the little .17. There's a lot to like!


John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015
#12268790 - 09/13/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 5,453
Higbean Online sleepy
Campfire Tracker
Higbean  Online Sleepy
Campfire Tracker

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 5,453
Durham, CA
Would a Dillon primer pocket swage work? Seems like it would make things go a lot faster.



Only fast twist rifles are interesting.

Alpha

#12268827 - 09/13/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Mule Deer  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Banana Belt, Montana
Higbean,

I do 'em a lot faster than that with a drill motor and countersink. I mount the motor with countersink in a bench vise, and have two plastic trays, one with brass to be chamfered and the other empty. I turn the motor on, grab case from the first tub, touch the primer pocket to the spinning countersink, and throw the case in the empty tub.

Countersinks cost a few bucks at a hardware store.


John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015
#12269072 - 09/13/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
Thanks for the replies and ideas everyone.

#12269096 - 09/13/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
Huntsman22, I looked around and it looks like Sinclair has a similar set up for sale.

They have a steel adapter that screws into the Uniflow measure. Then you slide a clear acrylic drop tube into the adapter and set it with a screw.

The drop tube is pre made with the correct size hole in the bottom, rather than a grey plastic unit like yours.

Might be just what I need.

Seems like Sinclair has a good reputation on the internets, yeah? Never used their products before.



As it stands now, I drop the charge into a pan and dump it into the case using the .17 funnel from RCBS. Its really not all that slow.....I must just be impatient.

That is a very good funnel, never spills a kernel. Next step would be to cut it off and tape it to the Uniflow.......

#12269669 - 09/14/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 814
SEM Offline
Campfire Regular
SEM  Offline
Campfire Regular

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 814
Golden State
to bad I just ordered the RCBS adapter for my Uniflo oh well, guess until Jim reports on his new Sinclair drop tube I'll just keep using the funnel. Thanks to all about the primer pocket info I was hoping it wasn't just me.

#12269775 - 09/14/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
Normally, I forget what I was doing and dont place the order. Then in a few months I seem to ask the same question again.

Not this time! Just placed an order with Sinclair. I will let youse guys know how it works.


I ordered an adapter and a couple drop tubes. We will see.

Bravo

#12269859 - 09/14/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Mule Deer  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Banana Belt, Montana
Sinclair's stuff is usually very good.


John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015
#12270679 - 09/14/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,741
Craigster Offline
Campfire Guide
Craigster  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,741
lost coast ca
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Normally, I forget what I was doing and dont place the order. Then in a few months I seem to ask the same question again.

Not this time! Just placed an order with Sinclair. I will let youse guys know how it works.


I ordered an adapter and a couple drop tubes. We will see.


Have you got a link or the stock # ? I looked, couldn't find it.

Thanks.

#12270770 - 09/14/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
Tube part number is 749-001-360

Adapter part number is 749-002-916

Off the Brownells/Sinclair website.

Last edited by Jim_Conrad; 09/14/17.
#12270885 - 09/14/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,741
Craigster Offline
Campfire Guide
Craigster  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,741
lost coast ca
Thanks !

#12271301 - 09/14/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 14,504
huntsman22 Online content
Campfire 'Bwana
huntsman22  Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 14,504
Kiowa/Deer Trail, Colorado
another 'hint from heloise'..... when dropping powder into the 17's, drop slow and kinda trickle it in instead of a fast, normal dump. 'specially with powders that may bridge.

#12271880 - 09/15/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
With a powder measure?

I thought they just had one gear........over drive!


I will try that.

#12271952 - 09/15/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Mule Deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Mule Deer  Offline
Campfire Oracle

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 42,677
Banana Belt, Montana
Which is why I decided a number of years ago to only use spherical powders in .17-caliber cartridges. Don't like not being able to use overdrive.


John

"Gunwriters, as you know, aren't as informed as their readers are and if it wasn't for the readers, there would be no need for writers..."--Shrapnel, May 2015
#12272013 - 09/15/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
To be honest, I had considered trying 3031 in the 17 just so it would not flow out past the case mouth and all over my loading block.

Hopefully this new drop tube steers me away from such silliness.


On a side note, I wish they would come out with a SSC version of 3031.

#12272055 - 09/15/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 814
SEM Offline
Campfire Regular
SEM  Offline
Campfire Regular

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 814
Golden State
not enough of us 3031 users to warrant that.... too bad

#12272131 - 09/15/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Jim_Conrad Offline
Campfire Guide
Jim_Conrad  Offline
Campfire Guide

Joined: May 2016
Posts: 4,372
Blaine County, MT
I made that comment on here a while ago and was informed of a VV powder that is just like 3031 but fine grained.

Be damned if I can remember the number now.

#12272433 - 09/15/17 Re: .17 Hornet...ugh. [Re: Jim_Conrad]  
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 814
SEM Offline
Campfire Regular
SEM  Offline
Campfire Regular

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 814
Golden State
VV 130, IMR3031, VV133 in this order on the Hodgon burn rate chart
I think I may have some VV130 I will have to compare the manuals tonight..... OH boy another project UGH

Last edited by SEM; 09/15/17.
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin, SYSOP 

AIH 160 1
Who's Online Now
491 registered members (12344mag, 1234, 10gaugemag, 175rltw, 56 invisible), 1,438 guests, and 576 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod









Copyright © 2000-2018 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.066s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 1.0384 MB (Peak: 1.3366 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-11-18 23:06:03 UTC