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I wonder if John Snow will be using the Creedmoor against the White Walkers.


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Does Hornady make Dragon glass ELDs?

BTW, I made a funny like that a while back, and Mule Deer went all spelling Nazi on me about Jon vs John Snow. Some guys....


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Outdoor Life magazine should be changed to Metro Life for all the useless information they provide. I don't read it unless it is a choice between it and people magazine at my dentist office.

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Everyone needs a couple Creedmoor's

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Looks like my friend John (not Jon) Snow's article really did it's job well. Now a lot more copies of OL will be sold so people can argue about the article.


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Interesting. I haven't seen the article. So, what would be the factors in determining the 'ultimate rifle round'?
  • Quality and availability of components
  • Accuracy
  • Recoil
  • Short range target
  • Long range target (1000yd) target
  • Small game hunting
  • Hog hunting
  • Coyote hunting
  • Black bear hunting
  • Pronghorn hunting
  • Whitetail hunting
  • Mule Deer hunting (standard ranges, say <450yds)
  • Mule Deer hunting (450-1000 yds)
  • Elk hunting standard range
  • Elk hunting long range
  • Moose hunting
  • Caribou hunting
  • Grizzly hunting


Create a weighting of how important each is to you and then score each. Could endlessly debate what constitutes standard ranges and then long range. Decide for yourself. Although there is likely a range for which say 90% of game such as elk or Deer is shot and that would be the standard range. Likewise, there exists the actual percentages of each game hunted in North America, or other region, which could be applied.
Create the list what it should do, determine how to score each metric (I.e. Excellent vs. just ok at long range). With some thought, this could actually be done quite well. MD, you should do a follow-up article with real numbers and analysis.

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Looks like my friend John (not Jon) Snow's article really did it's job well. Now a lot more copies of OL will be sold so people can argue about the article.



Told you.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Does Hornady make Dragon glass ELDs?

BTW, I made a funny like that a while back, and Mule Deer went all spelling Nazi on me about Jon vs John Snow. Some guys....



LOL.


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The ultimate round if you also have a 7RM in the safe grin

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Originally Posted by prm
Interesting. I haven't seen the article. So, what would be the factors in determining the 'ultimate rifle round'?
  • Quality and availability of components
  • Accuracy
  • Recoil
  • Short range target
  • Long range target (1000yd) target
  • Small game hunting
  • Hog hunting
  • Coyote hunting
  • Black bear hunting
  • Pronghorn hunting
  • Whitetail hunting
  • Mule Deer hunting (standard ranges, say <450yds)
  • Mule Deer hunting (450-1000 yds)
  • Elk hunting standard range
  • Elk hunting long range
  • Moose hunting
  • Caribou hunting
  • Grizzly hunting


Create a weighting of how important each is to you and then score each. Could endlessly debate what constitutes standard ranges and then long range. Decide for yourself. Although there is likely a range for which say 90% of game such as elk or Deer is shot and that would be the standard range. Likewise, there exists the actual percentages of each game hunted in North America, or other region, which could be applied.
Create the list what it should do, determine how to score each metric (I.e. Excellent vs. just ok at long range). With some thought, this could actually be done quite well. MD, you should do a follow-up article with real numbers and analysis.



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No, the big problem is hunters, because hunters really like to argue about rifles. Otherwise there wouldn't be any gun rags, Internet forums or conversations in hunting camps.


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Now if they would just neck up that Creedmoor case to .277 they would really have something..... (grin)


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
No, the big problem is hunters, because hunters really like to argue about rifles. Otherwise there wouldn't be any gun rags, Internet forums or conversations in hunting camps.


We sure do! And the closer the cartrdges are in performance the more we like to argue about them. I.e, 308 and 30-06.

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The .308 and .30-06 are close?!


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Originally Posted by 16bore
Originally Posted by prm
Interesting. I haven't seen the article. So, what would be the factors in determining the 'ultimate rifle round'?
  • Quality and availability of components
  • Accuracy
  • Recoil
  • Short range target
  • Long range target (1000yd) target
  • Small game hunting
  • Hog hunting
  • Coyote hunting
  • Black bear hunting
  • Pronghorn hunting
  • Whitetail hunting
  • Mule Deer hunting (standard ranges, say <450yds)
  • Mule Deer hunting (450-1000 yds)
  • Elk hunting standard range
  • Elk hunting long range
  • Moose hunting
  • Caribou hunting
  • Grizzly hunting


Create a weighting of how important each is to you and then score each. Could endlessly debate what constitutes standard ranges and then long range. Decide for yourself. Although there is likely a range for which say 90% of game such as elk or Deer is shot and that would be the standard range. Likewise, there exists the actual percentages of each game hunted in North America, or other region, which could be applied.
Create the list what it should do, determine how to score each metric (I.e. Excellent vs. just ok at long range). With some thought, this could actually be done quite well. MD, you should do a follow-up article with real numbers and analysis.



Hunting is 99 problems and the rifle ain't one. Gun rags and Internet forums will have you believe otherwise.

Life is full of a lot of other things to do......




I'm not even bringing up the rifle! I'm only talking the cartridge! In reality it's all just an analytical exercise for fun. Beats discussing politics.

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Put them all in a bucket and they average out arounf a .440 BC weighing 143 gr going 2,950 FPS with 48" drop at a 500 (100 yd zero) and 20" drift. You can nitpick here and there for flatter trajectory, more ass, less drift, and so on.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
Put them all in a bucket and they average out arounf a .440 BC weighing 143 gr going 2,950 FPS with 48" drop at a 500 (100 yd zero) and 20" drift. You can nitpick here and there for flatter trajectory, more ass, less drift, and so on.

I beat that dead horse, revived it, and rode it's ass outta Looneyville.



So 284 Win....good to know. I had long suspected that I've been wasting my time with other cartridges.


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Or a 270, 280, 30-06....it's all grey and makes loud noises to me.

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The boring 308 will beat the 6.5 to any range distance that I will ever shoot.

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