Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Muzzleloaders Remington Utimate Muzzleloader Blown Out

Hoping this works. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154805301780846&id=652420845

I didnt see any smoke

I know folks who insist on shooting smokeless in muzzleloaders. The phrase "suddenly and without warning" comes to mind. Make mine patched roundballs and fffg please.

Back in the mid 80's, my fiance at the time was working as a paralegal for a lawyer in Manhattan that specialized in these cases. Invariably it would boil down to someone spiking the load with smokeless, and it didn't help any that there was a recipe running around (pre-Internet) of 2 grains of Red Dot being the perfect way to juice a BP load. Yikes!

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You would need to be blind to miss it. Sure looks like 8 pellets and 2 bullets went BOOM by where the failure happened. Around 10-12" down the barrel.

Man That had to hurt

I use the standard Ultimate Muzzleloader charge of four 50gr Pyrodex pellets with a 300gr SST. The cloud of smoke is enormous. You can see through the puff in the video. I suspect smokeless is involved.

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SANPETE COUNTY, Utah - When the gun Jared Young was holding exploded in his hands, he thought the worst.

"I took my shirt and covered it. I didn't even want to look," Young explained.

"I thought for sure I was going to have to pick up fingers," Young's friend, Courtney Crane added.

The video, posted to Facebook, has been viewed over 13 million times in 48 hours and had over a thousand shares. The friends were target shooting in Sanpete County over the weekend. Crane was holding a cell phone, recording video in one hand, and holding a spotting scope in the other.

"I hear bang, and I'm like, 'dude, you're not even close,'" Crane said when he didn't see the target move 200 yards away.

"When I look up, he's gone and the gun is backward and I'm like, 'oh no.'"

Young needed 27 stitches and a hand specialist will do surgery on the nerves Wednesday morning, but he believes he'll regain full use of his hand.

In the aftermath, Young is left trying to figure out what went wrong.

"There was probably one last thing we didn't do," Young admits. "Even though this is clean, is there any debris in the barrel, anything blocking it?"

Young said he had the barrel cleaned by a gunsmith, but admits he should have been more careful before firing the first round of the season.

"We made assumptions," he said. "I won't make those assumptions again. I'll always double check."

Yep. Pyro smokes more than T7 pellets or White Hots. Pyro also has a small black powder type charge on one end. I suspect you are wrong about smokeless being the cause of this blow up.

Maybe a charge left in from last season? Was a 'boresighter' left in the bore?

I think his buddy knows what went in. Glad he will recover.

Dropping his ramrod down his barrel to his load mark (if he even had a mark on it) would have saved alot of pain and a dent in the checking account. Dude is lucky he didnt get killed. Bet that gun was double charged.

He was practicing to go on a hunt with one of my best friends. They had and killed multiple 200”deer too to add insult to injury

Apparently the gunsmith loaded it before giving it back to him and he double loaded it. Bad deal all the way around. Lucky it wasn’t a lot worse

A remington blows up, yet this cheap $80 muzzleloader takes everything?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en384qVqrug

That's pretty darn impressive. They pretty much had to turn it into a pipe bomb before it blew catastrophically.

Cheap Spanish import went boom recently also and took out the junk alloy receiver with it. I guess it could not handle 4 pellets and 2 bullets.

I doubt it was a double load. These dumb [bleep] are loading smokeless and not fessing up to it.

having spent several years building Smokeless guns I can tell you that YES it was likely a double load, I have seen it happen several times and it always results in at least a bulged barrel and sometimes a rupture, some think it's more prone to happen with smokeless powder but PLENTY of smokers get blown up every year by a double load. would simply using smokeless in a gun not designed for it cause a gun to explode? I doubt it, not to say it can't happen because it could.

double load ANY front stuffer and I will almost guarantee the results you see here. .

first off anyone using smokeless in a smoker needs their head examined anyway, yes smokeless powder creates more pressure so DO NOT USE IN GUNS NOT DESIGNED TO DO SO.
I just get tired of guys acting like the smokeless crowd are a bunch of nuts playing Russian roulette, we shoot thousands of bullets down range every year VERY SAFELY.

Much research has gone into what we do and granted it's not for the average Joe but then again the same thing can be said about the end use of ANY muzzleloader, bottom line is the dude pushing the ingredients down the tube controls his own fate, plain and simple.

I'm just glad he will recover but this incident just reaffirms the obvious, ALWAYS check your barrel even if you know it's unloaded, ALWAYS use a witness mark of a known load designed for your gun.

Take one of your smokers and load 2 pellets or powder and bullet then 2 more pellets and bullet....Get back to us with the video.

BTW i noticed Carlos dont post on your forum anymore and his classified section is gone but he is posting on others. Did he leave when you ditched the smokeless section?

I LOADER MY CVA HAWKINS 80 GRAINS LEFT THE RAM ROD IN TOUCH IT OFF RAM ROD FLEW 20 YARDS OR SO ,NO PROBLEMS BUT NEVER WANT THAT AGAIN

No clue, but the classified section wasnt being kept up with, so I removed it for now. The smokeless section is in the modern muzzleloading area of the forum. That area to wasnt being used, so to clean up the forum, it was moved into one area. The forum has seen a huge change and is mostly traditional muzzleloading which is great.