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In recent years I have been using a Remington model 700 in 350 Rem Mag for black bear hunting. I've been using the Hornady 200 gr. spirepoint bullet, 59.0 gr. IMR4320, R-P cases and WLR primers, and get 2650 fps from the 24" barrel. The location I hunt has a 90 degree arc behind it of tiny thick spruce and fir followed by a swamp with shoulder to head high grass and shrubs immediately behind the bait pile. I can only see to the end of my finger tips in this stuff. Of course this is where bears run when they are shot. In short, if I don't have a blood trail I'm screwed.

In 2012 I shot a yearling boar that dressed out at 128 lbs. The shot went in and out the ribs and both lungs at 20 yd., and the was an adequate blood trail. The bear went 20 yd., and was easy to find.

Last year I shot a similar bear at 60 yd. there, but did not find a single drop of blood. I searched for two hours that night, and three hours the next day and did not find a bears. The shot looked clean and good when I took it, but I figureed I must have missed. I was baffled.

Two days ago I shot a sow at 60 yd. that dressed out at 196 lbs. Again, there was not a single drop of blood anywhere. There bear had traveled about 60 yd. in an arc to end up about 20 yd. from where it was shot. Even at the site where it dropped the only blood was coming out its nose. The bear was slightly quartering away when hit. The shot entered behind the near shoulder and wrecked the far shoulder. No exit wound. At this point I think something like this happened to the last bear.

None of this would be a problem in a more open area. But in this area I won't be using that bullet any more, and need to find a different solution. I haven't had any problems with the Hornady 195 gr. spire point in the 8 x 57, or their 180 gr. round nose in the .30-'06 giving an exit wound and a blood trail.

Am I expecting too much from the 200 gr. 35 cal. bullet, or just drawing a conclusion from too few instances? If I want to keep using the 350 Rem Mag, I think I should try the 225 gr. Sierra or the 225 gr. partition.

What have been your experiences with any of the bullets mentioned?


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Given a potential layer of fat on bear, a shot above midline may not leak at all. If one wants serious blood, use some high speed explosive round that will open them up on both sides. Taken lots of animals of a variety of species, and quite few never leak a drop. When I'm after bear in rugged or dense habitat, I strive for shots that will break them down on the spot (neck, spine, or shoulder).

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Partition. What was the question?

I've seen a few shot with the 35 whelen using either 225 or 250 Partition. You won't have penetration
'issues' with either bullet.


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I’d go with the above mentioned Partition, or a Barnes of your liking.

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I've had that 200 grain Spire Point come apart on whitetail bucks when started 100fps slower than your .350 RM and no longer trust them for hunting. I've killed 9+ brown bear using 200 TTSXs at similar velocity and would do so again without reservation. I've found cup & core bullets need more mass to reliably penetrate when used at /350 RM velocity levels. I'd use 250 Hornady or Speer SP for black bears without concern. 225 & 250 grain NPTs are fine, but not at all necessary in my experience.


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Originally Posted by bwinters
Partition. What was the question?

I've seen a few shot with the 35 whelen using either 225 or 250 Partition. You won't have penetration
'issues' with either bullet.



There it is............

My 250lb bear traveled 15 yards after being shot with a 150gr NPt out of a 270.


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I hunt much the same terrain in Minnesota except with a 358 Win. I first used factory loads with the 200 gr Silvertips and found I seldom got an exit wound which made finding the bear difficult and rather exciting in the dark. I got a great deal on bulk 250 gr Hornady spire points which did everything I wanted on bears, even those over 300 pounds.

I am running low on those bullets and am looking at the 225 gr Partition as a replacement. I would stick with the 250s but the Savage 99 I picked up does not like them. I shoots the 225 gr Sierras decently and I hope the Partitions will do so too.

I would go to either a much heavier cup and core bullet or a controlled expansion type bullet. At the speeds and distances one tends to shoot bears over baits there is a lot of stress placed on the bullet. I feel the 200 gr bullets are just not up to the demands.

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In my 358 Win, tests show the 200 Core-lokt penetrating better than the 250 Interlock SP. But I'd opt for the 225 Partition or 200 TTSX if I felt I needed a sure exit.


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After catching a few 225gr Partitions, I went to 250gr Partitions and never caught one. Never had a bear do more than roll down a hill after hit with a 250gr Partition from the Whelen.


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Youper - I think you just need a little more bullet. You've got plenty of rifle, just need more bullet.

Either more bullet weight if you stick to a conventional "cup and core" bullet.

Or go to a premium bullet such as the Nosler Partition.

Either way should provide deeper, more reliable penetration, and a better chance for an exit wound.

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People here will tell you 223 is fine. But up here 60 yards can feel like 600 some days.

I was hoping to get a chance to use my new 45-70, but didn't pull a tag for Baraga zone. Though buddy of mine who turned me on to the round, has said he has found the round at the exit side hide,

Some ahole trolls shot one that was hanging around, in my field. When I wasnt there. Can't stand hound hunters.

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Two bullets I really like in my Whelen are the 200 gr Accubond and 200 gr TTSX, in your model 700 350 Rem Mag the 200 gr Accubond will be too long but you should be fine with the TTSX. Two others I would look at would be a 225 gr Partition which has also done well for bears here and I hear lots of great things about the 225 gr Woodleigh's both RN's and Protected Point's.


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Originally Posted by gerry35
Two bullets I really like in my Whelen are the 200 gr Accubond and 200 gr TTSX, in your model 700 350 Rem Mag the 200 gr Accubond will be too long but you should be fine with the TTSX. Two others I would look at would be a 225 gr Partition which has also done well for bears here and I hear lots of great things about the 225 gr Woodleigh's both RN's and Protected Point's.



I’ve got the 180 TTSX’s loaded up to around 2875 in my 350 Rem Mag. It’s about as long as I’d want in that case in a SA 700. Saying that, there isn’t much I wouldn’t hunt with that combo either.


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I think I'll see how it shoots the 225 and 250 partitions. I've never stepped out of the cup and core world before, but bear hunting is the only thing I do with this rifle so for the few bullets I shoot expense won't be a problem. Thanks for all the replys they have been a big help.


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I took my first one with a Marlin 1895 using a Speer 400 gr. & whatever the starting load of H335 is in the Marlin section of their manual. 1680 fps. I shot the yearling boar at 9 yd. through the onside shoulder and out the ribs behind the far shoulder. The exit wound was the size of an Eisenhower dollar, and all the bear did was roll down hill. Yeah, that would solve the problem, but I want to hunt with a scope and can't bring myself to scope a Marlin lever action.


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Originally Posted by GuyM
Youper - I think you just need a little more bullet. You've got plenty of rifle, just need more bullet.

Either more bullet weight if you stick to a conventional "cup and core" bullet.

Or go to a premium bullet such as the Nosler Partition.

Either way should provide deeper, more reliable penetration, and a better chance for an exit wound.

Regards, Guy



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That'll work. Provided you stay away from those 300 hollow points

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A 250AI works too, but I haven't tried it on yearling bears....


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