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Having a rifle re barreled to 6.5 Swede. Post 64 model 70 with a 22" Brux 1:8". I plan to shoot the 130 accubond or something similar. It is my understanding that much of the published data is watered down for older rifles. What is a realistic upper end working velocity in a modern rifle?
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Running the 142 gr ABLR in mine around 2800. I know I can push it faster but with a group of .33@ 100, I stopped development there.
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Having a rifle re barreled to 6.5 Swede. Post 64 model 70 with a 22" Brux 1:8". I plan to shoot the 130 accubond or something similar. It is my understanding that much of the published data is watered down for older rifles. What is a realistic upper end working velocity in a modern rifle?
Thanks .......................You can go to the Hodgdon, Nosler and Berger sites (to name three) and review their loading data for the Swede. One uses a 23" barrel and the other two use a 24" barrel. Don't know if they would be considered watered down loads or not. For your 22" barrel, deduct about 20 to 25 fps per inch of shorter barrel length. From those three sites and from a reference standpoint, that should give you a pretty good idea of what kind of performance to expect.
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There's a good 6.5x55 thread floating around here somewhere. I'll try to find it for you. The Swede in a modern action is much more capable than most books show it is.
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You can go to the Hodgdon, Nosler and Berger sites (to name three) and review their loading data for the Swede. One uses a 23" barrel and the other two use a 24" barrel. Don't know if they would be considered watered down loads or not. For your 22" barrel, deduct about 20 to 25 fps per inch of shorter barrel length.
From those three sites and from a reference standpoint, that should give you a pretty good idea of what kind of performance to expect.
Thanks. I had gone to Nosler's site for the Accubond data but it was showing the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting the 130 at 2953 but had the Swede shooting the same bullet at 2837 with only a 1" shorter barrel. Made me think it was fairly conservative data given the swede's slightly bigger case. I do appreciate everyone's input. Looks to me like 2900+ is not out of the question with a 130 even with a shorter barrel (assuming I don't end up with a "slow" barrel). My ability to seat long in my LA model 70 won't hurt the situation either. No real need to push things in this rifle but it will be fun to see what it can do.
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Loaded to similar pressures you can get maybe 40-50 fps or so more than a .260 Remington in the same barrel length albeit with 2-4 grains more powder. If you have a good chronograph you can use .260 data as a guide and add a couple more grains until you reach same-same velocities, that way in the larger Swede case you know you will be in safe pressure territory. Or you can venture out from there and add a couple more grains. IMO an extra 50 fps isn't worth it but it's there if you want to go for it. Read the .260 and 6.5x55 sections here from John Barsness' article "Loads That Work": Loads That Work
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You can go to the Hodgdon, Nosler and Berger sites (to name three) and review their loading data for the Swede. One uses a 23" barrel and the other two use a 24" barrel. Don't know if they would be considered watered down loads or not. For your 22" barrel, deduct about 20 to 25 fps per inch of shorter barrel length.
From those three sites and from a reference standpoint, that should give you a pretty good idea of what kind of performance to expect.
Thanks. I had gone to Nosler's site for the Accubond data but it was showing the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting the 130 at 2953 but had the Swede shooting the same bullet at 2837 with only a 1" shorter barrel. Made me think it was fairly conservative data given the swede's slightly bigger case. I do appreciate everyone's input. Looks to me like 2900+ is not out of the question with a 130 even with a shorter barrel (assuming I don't end up with a "slow" barrel). My ability to seat long in my LA model 70 won't hurt the situation either. No real need to push things in this rifle but it will be fun to see what it can do. .......................I noticed that as well on the Nosler site. 2900 or more from a 130 gr out of the Swede is very good. Hope your new barrel will give you that........If not there is always the (watered down LOL) 26 Nosler and 6.5/300 Wby.
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Great pic and beautful rifle. I love the #1s.
Thanks for the info Jim. Much appreciated.
As to the 26 Nos or 6.5/300...I don't think that is a great combo for my little Featherweight, lol. The 6.5-06 is still a viable option though. I have a little time before the barrel is shipped to decide.
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Great pic and beautful rifle. I love the #1s.
Thanks for the info Jim. Much appreciated.
As to the 26 Nos or 6.5/300...I don't think that is a great combo for my little Featherweight, lol. The 6.5-06 is still a viable option though. I have a little time before the barrel is shipped to decide. ....................Aaaaaah no........ Not for a featherweight.........LOL In the 6.5 dept, I don't understand fully why the 6.5/06 isn't or hasn't become more popular amongst the rifle makers. I guess the 264 Win, and even more so the 'ol standby 270 Win (Jack) had something to do with that.
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Great pic and beautful rifle. I love the #1s.
Thanks for the info Jim. Much appreciated.
As to the 26 Nos or 6.5/300...I don't think that is a great combo for my little Featherweight, lol. The 6.5-06 is still a viable option though. I have a little time before the barrel is shipped to decide. ....................Aaaaaah no........ Not for a featherweight.........LOL In the 6.5 dept, I don't understand fully why the 6.5/06 isn't or hasn't become more popular amongst the rifle makers. I guess the 264 Win, and even more so the 'ol standby 270 Win (Jack) had something to do with that. The 6.5-06 isn't popular with the rifle makers because it isn't popular with shooters. Metric cartridges historically have been slow to gain acceptance by most of the US shooting public. I think that rounds that were designed to be used in MSR's have, to some extent, broken that trend and have gained a good bit of acceptance. Witness the 6.5 Grendel and Creedmore. I think their popularity has rekindled interest in some old classics like the 6.5x55 which has been offered in many more bolt guns recently. I don't hold out much hope for the 6.5-06 gaining a lot of popularity as it seems new shooters subscribe to the idea of less case taper and a sharper shoulder. That said, I always liked it but instead shoot a 6.5x65 RWS.
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Running 48 gr IMR-4831 with 129 gr SSTs and 130 gr ELD-M out of the wife's 6.5x55 gets 2870 fps, with a 21" tube. A few weeks ago she shot a doe lope at 100 yds with the ELD-M, doe didn't go anywhere but down. Was hoping to try some 120 gr AMAXs in the 6.5x55 but my daughter ended up using a Hornady 60 gr SP from a 223 at 153 yds.
I have dreams of a 6.5-06. My youngest daughter's due date was 6-5-06 and I wanted to build one for her, but the damn doctor didn't want to speed up the process. I ended up with a 6-6-06 baby. I still wanna build it but I might just stamp the caliber 6.6-06 for her and to keep people guessing.
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Great pic and beautful rifle. I love the #1s.
Thanks for the info Jim. Much appreciated.
As to the 26 Nos or 6.5/300...I don't think that is a great combo for my little Featherweight, lol. The 6.5-06 is still a viable option though. I have a little time before the barrel is shipped to decide. ....................Aaaaaah no........ Not for a featherweight.........LOL In the 6.5 dept, I don't understand fully why the 6.5/06 isn't or hasn't become more popular amongst the rifle makers. I guess the 264 Win, and even more so the 'ol standby 270 Win (Jack) had something to do with that. The 6.5-06 isn't popular with the rifle makers because it isn't popular with shooters. Metric cartridges historically have been slow to gain acceptance by most of the US shooting public. I think that rounds that were designed to be used in MSR's have, to some extent, broken that trend and have gained a good bit of acceptance. Witness the 6.5 Grendel and Creedmore. I think their popularity has rekindled interest in some old classics like the 6.5x55 which has been offered in many more bolt guns recently. I don't hold out much hope for the 6.5-06 gaining a lot of popularity as it seems new shooters subscribe to the idea of less case taper and a sharper shoulder. That said, I always liked it but instead shoot a 6.5x65 RWS. ................Thanks....I did not know that. I hope the current popularity of the 6.5s somehow helps the 6.5/06 gain a small amount of traction.
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I top my M70 FWT Swede out at 2850 or so with 140 gr Horn SP's over Ramshot Hunter.
130 TSX's thrived in the lower 2900's over H4350.
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I started loading the 260 Rem way back before there was load data available, 20 years ago.
So you can reverse that, and use 260 Data and then work up a little from there...
I run 140 class bullets at 2800 out of my 6.5 x 55s and 6.5 x 57, utilizing 4350...
I've squeezed more velocity out of it... but 2800 works just fine.. and I seem to like round even numbers...
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Good powders for the 22 inch swede and 130's are H4350, IMR 4350 and RL 19. I've had better luck with these in the shorter barrel.
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Having a rifle re barreled to 6.5 Swede. Post 64 model 70 with a 22" Brux 1:8". I plan to shoot the 130 accubond or something similar. It is my understanding that much of the published data is watered down for older rifles. What is a realistic upper end working velocity in a modern rifle?
Thanks Check out this link for RL26 velocity w/140AB in the Swede: https://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35105I'm gonna load up some 140 Ballistic Tips using RL26 for my T3 Swede and see what they'll do SD
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My 130 accubond load is 47 gr of reloader 17 for 2925 fps
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