Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles 223, 223A.I. or 6X45

Ok guys I am looking to the campfire for guidance on my next build. I know these threads are always fun!

So here is the deal, my next build is going to one of these three chamberings 223, 223 A.I. or 6x45

The purpose of this rifle is to shoot a lot! I have a ton of 223 brass, 223 bullets and 6mm bullets.

The main purpose of this rifle is in order of most use:

#1, to shoot long range (1000yds) steel and rocks etc...
#2. Gophers/ prairie dogs
#3 Coyotes/ wolves in the forest , short to medium range
#4 Doe whitetail, mule deer, short to medium range

I have no gaps in my battery. I have fast twist large .22 Cf. Fast twist large 6mm's for open country long range.

This is going to be a general purpose rifle. The stock is already ordered, a McMillan
The barrel is going to be a sporter profile. The action a Rem 700
The twist will be 1/8
The scope a 3-9, with a ballistic reticle and turrets. With a ton of elevation travel.
Should spec out at 7.5 to 8lbs

So what are the pro's and con's of the three chambering choices?

Thanks in advance

Don't know much about shooting at 1000 yards, except that those folks seem to think staying supersonic all the way is important. Can any of your choices do that? I've never run the numbers myself, but I bet Boxer-Stick can tell you.

Pappy,

Good point. The 6x45 is awfully appealing with the Hornady 105HPBT. I will run ballistics.

As far as asking Big Stick, I wont even try to decipher his crazy talk, his opinions seem driven by ego and exaggeration.

Looks like the 105 started at 2600fps will be doing 1230fps at 1000yds. the long range stuff will be for fun and practice.

Not sure about the super long range.

At normal hunting ranges I'm not sure you would ever really see a difference in killing ability, recoil or accuracy in any of the small based cartridges. The .22 caliber is more versatile as far as bullets are concerned.

Pick the caliber you like and run with it.

Hard to go wrong with the 223AI. You can shoot 223 to fireform and just to have fun. Mine is so accurate while fireforming full house 223 loads, I'm a little hesitant to reload the formed cases in case the accuracy is disappointing....
You will get substantially more performance from the 223 AI than the parent cartridge and the 69 grain VLD's and the Nosler competition should stay supersonic to the distances you are quoting. Also, won't wear you out if you want to shoot it all day long like some rifles will. Cheap to load for also and components are just about everywhere. What's not to like?

Bob

irfubar, you can do every thing you listed with a plain old 1 in 8 twist .243 or .243 A.I. with bullets fro 45 gr. to 115 gr. look this up, I think you will be supprised. Rio7

Go 6 Creed or 243. No flies on the 223 or 223ai though.

Rio7,
I already have a 1/8 twist 243 and you are correct it is wonderful. My goal with this build is for volume shooting, low barrel wear and heat.

Shiester,
The 223 A.I. is a strong contender for the reasons you cited. A bonus to the A.I. is it will help me keep the brass separate from my AR's. I don't like to mix brass when it comes to precision rifles.

Chrome,
I suspect you are correct and that is why I am having such a hard time deciding. The Hornady 105bthp would give me a slight advantage over the 223 A.I. at extreme range. The long range stuff will just be for fun though.

I am hoping to hear from a few 6x45 users?

Get all three,problem solved.

Thank you Calvin,
The 6mm Creed is compelling, I am thinkin just a bit less powder though. And I already ordered the action for the small bolt face. Do you have a lot of experience with the 223 A.I.?

I usually long range shoot by myself, no spotters. So it is important to be able to spot my hits and misses. Will the 6x45 be easier to spot, a little more recoil but a bigger bullet impact?

Ken I like the way you think! And truth be told before it is all said and done I will probably have all three.

Now quit giving advice and go back to shooting wabbits with your 460 Wby.

223 AI. All that T&A can't be wrong. Seriously, this is my vote. You already know the pluses.

I had a hardon for the 6x45 till i bought a 6ppc.

I know! I went to that thread looking for answers and I am much wiser now!

Funny story Ken, I went out with Deflave last week and took my 458 and told him I need to shoot a chipmunk with it to keep up. The darn chipmunks were to cagey for me! His son was deadly with his S&W 38 though and slayed a couple!

Did you carry solids in the .458? That is what I would use for chipmunks.

440 grain hard cast G.C. at 2200fps. cant be too careful!

223 or 223 A.I. by a landslide I If volume shooting is the agenda. 77gr TMK, 75gr ELD-M, or 80gr ELD-M's. They'll all make it to 1,000 without issue.

Thanks Formid,
Your opinion carries a lot of weight.

What do you call volume shooting ? I shoot about 1000 rnds a month of .243 and .243 A.I. Rio7

Rio,

What I have in mind is spending a day shooting several hundred rounds. And doing that over and over. I could use my 243 but would have to take breaks and let the barrel cool. Also burning 40+ grains of powder is a good way to develop a flinch after many rounds. Not to mention cost and barrel expense.

My 220 swift ,22-250, 240 Wby, 243, 6mm etc are what I consider low volume guns.

Currently I have a 308 heavy barrel rifle i consider my high volume gun, but the recoil and component cost aren't worth it, also it is tough to spot my shots.

Did all three and all that's left is a 1:8 223 Tikka with 10X SWFA on top shooting 75 Amax. Doesn't get any easier. I'd rather it was the varmint contour, but Super Lite is a dandy.

Total package was under $1,000.....

What's your experience with the 77tmk on deer? I remember a pic of one you'd shot with that bullet. Any comparison yo the 75 amax? Like to have an alternative that stays in mag confines of my Montana without the mag box/receiver scallop mods

,223 AI no trimming!!!

I get around the hot barrel by using 4 rifles, about 4-5 rnds then switch, and i am not in a hurry to miss, my ar-15s in .223 get hot fast also, so I bring 3 rotate when shooting p. dogs, do what ever works for you, that's the what I do Rio7

Looking at the OP's caliber choice, I don't think he has the bolt face currently for a creed or 243... nothing a little dremel couldn't fix though...

So far the 223 A.I. is winning by a significant margin

Because it is perfect for what you're after, given your particular circumstances and needs, imo. Since they're all the same price, it's an easy call.

Yep, .223AI is hard to beat for volume shooting, barrel life, case life, components, ability to use cheap .223 ammo, easy on powder, easy on the shoulder, LESS TRIMMING, etc... Really nothing wrong with the plain Jane .223 but the AI is just a little improved.... I've got the rifle you spec'd and it's a favorite, heavy enough to be steady but svelte enough to use.

All of mine are 1/8, but if I was doing a fresh one I might research 1/7 on the twist. I'd also recommend going detachable mag with the 7.5-8 lb weight.

Enjoy it!

JCMCUBIC,

Sounds like you have experience with exactly what I am talking about. You have my attention with the 1/ 7twist. I wonder if it would be a handicap with the 40gr ballisic tip/vmax I have in mind for prairie dogs and gophers? I know from experience the 1/8 twist works fine with the light bullets.

They are excellent on deer. Have killed quite a few deer with them including a Mule deer last year at 303 yards, and a whitetail at a bit over 100. Nearly identical shots, but reversed and the bullets behaved similarly. They do cause some tissue/meat damage if you hit bone, but they are monsters at killing. The 77gr TMK is similar, if not a bit more "splashy" than the 75gr A-MAX. They will generally exit broadside shots and make it to the offside hide on steep angling shots when going through a shoulder.













I would go with a 1-7" twist as well. Have not had any issues with any weight bullets in a 1-7" twist, except a couple 30 grainers out of 22-250's.


Bullets are only getting longer and a 7" twist will shoot anything from 40-80gr.

The only time a 6x45 trumps the 223/AI is if you feel the need to hunt big game with a 223 based cartridge in a state that requires 6mm as a minimum.

Much better bullets all the way around for the 223/AI.

LRI should have a .223ai Montana done for me next week...It's an 8twist. And like the 4th-5th one I've had put together.

.223AI

40 Zmax @ 4,030fps for Sage rats

50 Zmax @ 3,725fps for Richardson or California ground squirrels.

75 ELD's @ 3,150fps for steel, deer etc.


To me, the 6x45 would be a really fun play toy on steel for a guy that already has a .223AI. I almost built one but ITD shut down and I grabbed a McGowan .223AI bbl cheap in the classifieds. I've somehow ended up with four of the things.

Thanks all for the reply's.

It looks like the 223 A.I. by a unanimous vote. My initial thought for this rifle was the 223 AI, then I started looking at the 6x45 and must admit i am surprised nobody voted for it?

I do believe the 223AI is the best choice. Thanks again for steering me back the proper direction.

Let us know how shooting a 223 AI works at 1,ooo yards with a 3x9 scope.

A little bit on the light side,but it'll work with proper bullet placement.

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Just built this in a 6x45 ....Does do NOT like it at all!!!!

6mm tcu

I don't have any experience with the 1/7 and light bullets but it sounds like Formidilosus had good luck with them except at speeds above what you'll be pushing them with a .223 AI.

He is correct in bullets getting longer. The reason I mentioned it is that I've loved the 75 Amax for years in several 1/8's....however, I see that the newer 75 ELD has a 1/7 twist recommendation on the box.

For a 1,000 yard gun anyone who shoots bench rest would be building a Dasher.

Which would work for everything the OP listed, but if you are going to shoot "a lot" then making or buying the brass would be time consuming or costly.
Not to mention if you reload brass for 1,000 yds (and you are serious about accuracy) you might be getting custom dies to match your chamber, and a bunch of other things.

I've heard of "tactical 1000 yds" ... but those guns now run 16-18lbs so it wouldn't be something you shoot at short to medium range "a lot."
Frankly most people don't have access to a 1,000 yard range, and realize it typically requires a 20 MOA rail so your scope can reach it zero wise.

The 223 AI is a great for most of what you mention.

I went the 204 Ruger / 260 / 280 AI route for tiny critters, up to 350 yds, and reach out an touch something scenarios, with 24, 23, and 26" barrels.

The later 2 are Krieger barreled by a excellent bench rest smith... the 204 is a Tikka.
Of course I have a stupidly accurate 25-06 that I should sell but just can't get myself to let it go - it's a single hole gun (6 groups different days, years so far)

Good luck on your quest.
Spot

If you are going to try long range with a 223 you could really use the faster twist so +1

Just remember the super long bullets you may have to feed them one by one.

Even my AR 223 barrels from Krieger are 7.7 twists and now they offer 6.5 twists.

On the one by one feeding, the 700 action's mag box is an easy fix to allow longer OAL. Another option that I recommended researching are the new detachable mags as they come with a longer OAL right from the start and feeding (especially AI'd feeding) is centered making very smooth.

The only thing the OP is going to "shoot",is her mouth and Imagination...then she'll of course prove it. Laughing!.

If only in fairness,I shoot every chambering cited excepting the Dasher and because I've a coupla 6BR's that are 8" or faster. Hint.

Have a few .243" bore rifles and I most assuredly LOVE the 270 squirting 105's. Though none of my 270's are longer than 19" or slower than 8".



I'm of course rather sweet on the 6BR,as it is a Giant Killer,but the 6 Grendel is assuredly no slouch and happily housed in a Krunchenticker. On top of that,sensational brass abounds and my Lapooey Grendel brass,is fully the equal of my Lapooey BR brass in consistency and durability. Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess. There just "might" be sumptin',to reserve RPM,copious COAL latitude and a Smooch in conjunction. Hint.



Hell...I might even drive a few cases in both .224" and .243"?!? Laughing!



I reckon it ain't "fair" to shoot a coupla chamberings/boolits side by each,so as to be afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess. Hint.

Top left: 243 SALAMI 1-8",1-7" 223AI
Bottom left: 22-250 SALAMI 1-7",270 1-8",Six Twat-Six 1-8",243Aye-Eye 1-8",270 1-7.75",6-284 1-8",6BR 1-8",7-08 9",1717D HB (Google it),Clark LW Hummer(Google it).



I cain't speak to much in the way of 223AI's,as I've only got (13) of them in 7,8,9,10,12 and 14" RPM. Contours only run the gamut from sub Montucky shortened shank dupe(1-7" Rock) to straight receiver diameter(1-14" PN). ADL,BDL and DBM. It remains my favorite chambering of All Time and I prolly gun more than a few. Hint.

I'm rather at ease to welllllll beyond the 1000yd line,with much less than 9X glass,whether it 223,223AI or 270. If only because I do so daily and my mainstay rifles in said chamberings,wear glass shy of that many X's. I reckon a certain beloved Montucky 270 with a miserly 18" spout and it's 4x glass,fhuqks with more heads wayyyyy beyond 1K with it's 105's,than anything else I shoot and having 50 Mils of latitude in total on tap from a 200yd zero,prolly don't suck. For more than a "few" reasons,it's inspired a schit ton of builds so chambered. The poignant profundity of my influence,is money in the bank for the astute...which is much to the chagrin of Window Lickers. Few things fhuqking FUNNIER,than them facts. Hint. Laughing!

The 270/105 melding is rather sumptin' special. ES/SD is simply amazingly trite. COAL easily accounted for,in a boltgun of repute. One never need fret projectile integrity,bone breaking or terminal affects and with the Hornie 105HPBT's,it's nearly free to shoot. Easy for me to say,if only because I've shot/got it all. Hint.

I getta kick outta CLUELESS Kchunt Window Lickers using their Imaginations to Pretend about a Fantasy Rifle that will never exist or get "shot". FUNNY schit!

Never have heard of a DBM...or have I?!? This "tricky" stuff is so cornfusing. Laughing!

Tough to beat an MDT 10 and the AICS polly attempt,is a folly. Hint.



Though day in/day out and for sheer Utility an AM 5-rounder is THE winner. Ask me how I KNOW? Hint. Laughing!



GOOD talk. It is always entertaining to grant Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks an opportunity,to showcase their AMAZING Dumbfhuqktitude.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!.........................

Big Stick,

can you expound on the 270/105 a little more?

"The 270/105 melding is rather sumptin' special. ES/SD is simply amazingly trite. COAL easily accounted for,in a boltgun of repute. One never need fret projectile integrity,bone breaking or terminal affects and with the Hornie 105HPBT's,it's nearly free to shoot. Easy for me to say,if only because I've shot/got it all. Hint."

Another vote for a faster twist. Starting a 6mm AI with a 1 in 8 twist but if I were to do it over again I would go 1 in 7.5 or 7.8 to make sure it could handle the 115s.
6x45 or 47 AI would be a fun gun to hunt with no bad choices.

6x45 never doesn't not equal 270. Tough to beat the Hornie 105HPBT as a day in and day out ruggedly reliable hammer,but there's more than a few nice candidates with it's BC or better.

Left of frame to right: 270/108ELD,6 Grendel/108ELD,6BR/110Sugar,6XC/108ELD,6 Kreedmire/108ELD,243 SALAMI/105BTHP,243 Aye-Eye/105'Max,6mm Rem/105'Max,6mm Rem Aye-Eye/105'Max,6-284/105HPBT,Six Twat-Six/105HPBT

270/105HPBT in AM 5-rounder,OEM 700 S/A box and 6 Kreedmire/108ELD in bindered AICS 5-rounder



Tough for me to get horned up about Sugars,mainly because I shoot 'em.(grin) The LAST [bleep] thing I'd do is build a Goat Fhuqked 6mm Rem Aye-Eye twist it 7.5" and get "giddy" about a Sugar Launcher. Hint. Laughing!

All are in a fhuqking hurry to get the cart wayyyyyyyy in front of the horse and schit is simply fhuqking stupid easy,if you let it be. Simply twist and throat to COAL latitude and excellence happens by fhuqking default. 'Course you gotta shoot a smidge too and everyone "thinks" proficiency can purchased...which it assuredly can NOT. Brass quality matters more than a smidge too and nobody savvies that either. Often veddy veddy intellesting to gun a crummy load of splendid wares in side by each extrapolations,in like conditions and I prolly do so daily. Spent primers remain THE Supreme Tutorial,no matter the "power" of CLUELESS Window Licker's Imaginations and Pretend. Hint.

Easy for me to say,as I've shot/got it all.

Less is more.

Hint...................

Ok gotcha. In general terms, how much do you like the 6x45?

80 Amax / Varget was stellar in my T3/SWFA set up.

'state,

I don't like the 270 very much,but I sure as schit fhuqking LOVE it. It just connects alotta dots very easily,as the precision is simply fhuqking stupid and it's not tough to swoon 100fps+ for every grain of powder. Hint.

In a 18" Sveltetified Montucky,it balances superbly,holds (5) in the belly and has a pile driving ass. Recoil is a lark and it just simply CRUSHES schit.

I'll build another...or two.(grin)

Hint...............








'bore,

The jump to 80 from 75's has never offset the velocity difference,for me. Simply put,the BC increase don't cover the velocity decrease.

The 75ELD is absofhuqkinglutely amazing and flies true to it's assigned .467 aero form,in a herd of my rifles wearing .224" bore sizing. I have yet to see Varget shine in anything,especially those chamberings wearing a .378" casehead...though it sucks in .473's too. I tend to form 75 ELD's at 2925fps ala Lever' Smooches in more than a couple/few 223AI's. I shoot 75HPBT's at 2800fps+ in a favorite 18" Wylde Krunchenticker Middie,with Lever' as fuel and 2850fps in a favored Rifle SPR. 75ELD magfed Smooches in a 20" Rifle gas Krunchenticker,will crowd 3100fps in 22 Grendel(s). 105's will nudge 2750fps in Rifle gas magfed Smooches in 6 Grendel(s) ala Lever'. I hear good thangs about it in 6BR too,amongst other chamberings in the larder. Hint.

7" is a nice place to be in .224",if you have the COAL to align with it. 8" has never let me down and is a mainstay in the particulars cited above,which encompasses more than a "few" rifles.

2700fps+ 105's on top,2800fps+ 75HPBT's below...6 Grendel and 223 SALAMI respectively. The "long" one is 20". Kinda/sorta got on a Rhodesian kick.



22/6 Grendel COAL in ASC's is essentially HUGE and though one could squirt 110 Sugars...I wouldn't.




Hint.




80JLK's Dagger Bitch Smooches are wicked,when housed/chambered in the 22 version of same. The 75 ELD for me,if only obviously.

It's never not intellesting,to extrapolate more than a few splendid wares and call 'em what they is. Hell...I've seen me do it.(grin)



Funniest part is...the OP ain't gonna "shoot' anything,excepting her mouth and Imagination.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!..............................

Interesting findings Stick. Don't have much in the .224 bore except a 22-250 and .223 and I think it was you that put me onto the .223 AI and I appreciate it. Shoots like a house a fire but with the factory fluted barrel ITD screwed on for me, it still wears the 12 twist from the factory and leaves me with best results with the 40 grain BT's at warp speed. Not complaining at all as they do wondrous things to critters at all ranges so far. Coyotes turn inside out when they stand still a smidge too long.

After much experimentation, I found Varget to be the best propellant in my 22-250 with the 40 grain BT's (also wearing the factory 12 twist bore). Puts them out right at the label stated- 4100 fps verified by chrono and the accuracy is pretty amazing. One hole groups are pretty much the norm with that rifle when I'm up to it.

Wish I could shoot the heavies just for kicks and grins, but I've got other fish to fry right now so experimenting with barrels, twists, bullets, powder, etc... is on the back burner until I get retired next spring and get our house built. Wish I had that handy shooting range you call home available to me like you do. The coast range is a long drive some days when you try to squeeze in some load work up...

Take care,
Bob

Funniest part is...the OP ain't gonna "shoot' anything,excepting her mouth and Imagination.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!..............................[/quote]



Ooooh you got me there Big Stink
I just load rounds to look at.
Hope some day I can be as awesomeness as you and shoot 3500 rounds a day.

You pathetic little turd. Still butthurt over that feller stealing your old lady.







A few I took out today,

Ok, gotta ask. What would be reason enough to go to a long action? What cartridge would make you do that?

The only one that comes close would be a 220 swift, in a Mauser. I consider the Mauser to be a medium action though.

Figured 6.5/06 or something. I just wondered. Stick often talks as if there is a right and a wrong, and that one's preferences don't matter.

The 6.5-06 , 270 etc.... are great and I own both , they are just in a different class than what I am trying to accomplish here.

Now match the swift with an 1/8 twist barrel and you have a combination of retro cool and extreme performance.

As far as Stick, if you follow him through the years what he is using at the present time is right and everything else is junk and you are an idiot for using it
.
Stick is a narcissist and if you can get past his ego and decipher his dribble you can learn a few things, or you can do your own testing and research and learn a lot with out the ego bias.

Stick is a wack job

I know. Just was curious what the "right" reason he has reached is.

Stick believes extreme efficiency is the best and only route. I.E. burn the least powder with the most "down range"performance.

Can't imagine needing to do that with any of them. There are a few 100 grain 22 caliber bullets out there and that might be a reason but I have never tried them. Not sure what twist they would take but it will be slow maybe 1-6 or even 1-5.

Bob,

I've never liked the 22-250,even though I've had/have a herd of them(7" to 14"). It's a rather poor case design and it'll be nice once the 22 Kreedmire becomes mainstay,as killer brass abounds. It's essentially a turn-key 22-250AI,with no forming requisite.

My favorite 22-250 SALAMI,is a 21" Rock 1-7" PSS +P contour and it's a fhuqking HAMMER with 75ELD's. It wears inclination and a 10x MoMo Quad,A5,Marty steel bottom,yada,yada. 40MOA from a 250yd zero,will cover some ground.(grin) The windshield alone,will get it to the 1300yd line with a modest 3275fps Smooch. If I recall(and knowing me I do),there's another 84MOA waiting upon the erector. I prefer MQ by miles,but can get by with this platform.



That being said and even though I've Krieger and Hart High RPM 22-250 Aye-Eye's,it is very difficult to set aside a 20" 22 Grendel Krunchenticker spitting 75ELD's ala MQ.



Need to build a few more,on this next pass.



It's ALL about twist/throatgeometry/COAL...if only because boolits matter wayyyyyyy more than headstamps.



Would MUCH rather shoot KHorn,223,223AI,22 Grendel or 22-250AI,if only because schit case designs are bitter pills to swallow. I shoot 40's at 4000fps and small change in multiple 21" 223AI's. Increased rotational velocity(1-7,8 and 9's),coupled with it's lineal velocity,will reliably arrange 1st Place Trophies in any/all Goo Flinging Tournies. That being said,pass the 1-8" and 75 ELD's,in all things .224" that have the COAL and RPM.

It's nice having so much opportunity,so close and I tend to soak all of it up,that I can. Though in fairness,I cain't see much past the 2200yd line from the front porch and can toss a rock to the first cast.



It's "rough"........................(grin)






urdumbfhuqk,

Your copious Insecurities are very WELL founded. Congratulations?!?

Pardon my shooting more in a day,than you have your "life". Must be VERY "exciting" for you to go on a Big Weekend Trip and schlep multiple pieces of fhuqking schit along,under the false assumption of having even a First Fhuqking Clue? Perhaps you'll wax eloquent,upon the "particulars" of said Goat Fhuqks and say a leetle sumptin' about twist,throat geometry,COAL,case design,mounting systems and aiming systems,if only to obliviously quantify even more hilarity. Hint. Laughing!

Typical day here,if only for extrapolation and more importantly...HILARITY. Laughing!

You'd need a co-signer for the tape and caps. Laughing!


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Fascinating to me,that the exceedingly STUPID Fhuqk asking questions...is now doing her best to give "answers". Nothing is funnier than a quivering lip,eliciting her Imagination and it's Pretend.

Bless your heart for trying soooooooooo fhuqking hard and the ONLY reason this schit is funny,is due the fact you are doing your best. As per always,PLEASE find me "mistaken" and I'll happily take the nano-second requisite,to rub your running nose even further in your own STUPIDITY. Hint.

GOOD talk.

Laughing!..............







'galt,

Stupidity ain't a "preference",it's a plight and them differences are beyond stark. Hint. Congratulations?!?

PLEASE find me "wrong"...it'll be funnier than fhuqk. HINT.

Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess,though you Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks can only guess,as a best case scenario. It's easy for me to say,if only because I've shot/got it all. Re-hint.

The Paper Hat Brigade NEVER disappoints in oblivious hilarity...you "hard chargers" are a fhuqking riot!

Don't let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt. Ooopsie!...too late!!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...................






Tejano,

Looking at you gals "talk" rifles,is akin to watching a Jerry Lewis Telethon. Congratulations?!?

You gals REALLY "know" your stuff.

Bless your heart.

LAUGHING!

Wow +P+!..............................

Still asking what you would want the long action for. I don't need to pretend I am a great hunter. I am on the couch asking a question

urdumbfhuqk,

Your copious Insecurities are very WELL founded. Congratulations?!?

Pardon my shooting more in a day,than you have your "life". Must be VERY "exciting" for you to go on a Big Weekend Trip and schlep multiple pieces of fhuqking schit along,under the false assumption of having even a First Fhuqking Clue? Perhaps you'll wax eloquent,upon the "particulars" of said Goat Fhuqks and say a leetle sumptin' about twist,throat geometry,COAL,case design,mounting systems and aiming systems,if only to obliviously quantify even more hilarity. Hint. Laughing!

Typical day here,if only for extrapolation and more importantly...HILARITY. Laughing!

You'd need a co-signer for the tape and caps. Laughing!


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Funny stuff Big Stink, everyday is the weekend for me. I am out enjoying myself even while you are scrubbing toilets at the man camp.

How did the negotiations over alimony payments go?

Nice talk idiot.

'galt,

What in THE fhuqk is your Long Action Fascination and from which part of your pointy head and crossed eyes were the Delusion generated? Congratulations?!?

You Amazingly STUPID Fhuqks never disappoint,in oblivious hilarity! Here's to you doing your best,with what incredibly little you "have" to "work" with.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................






urdumbfhuqk,

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that even someone as Fhuqking STUPID as you,knows better than to try and "talk" rifle "particulars". Hint. Congratulations?!?

Now you be sure to gun some pics,if/when your kchunt leaves the couch and do not forget to add "particulars" of your "exciting" "Adventures" and "hard charging" ways. Mebbe muse photography equipment too,as you add feverishly to your amazingly long list of WELL founded Insecurities. Laughing!

Hope to get the 100yr old War Horse squared away with S/S beavertail,S/S extended safety,new trigger and stone/polish the works and tweak springs. Will likely say "fhuqk it" and pin the beaver' in place,for Utility. Once the laser grip is zero'd,it'll be time to sight in the FF3 3MOA dot and then I'll be loggin'.

Be curios to see which Marvel Unit One shoots best.




New Fieldcraft Kreedmire is laying in wait,as is the 20MOA rail and 40 MOA Horn' rings. Got Bob on the phone yesterday,so another 200pcs of Alpha are enroute and I've a "hunch" that I'm good on moly 147's and '17.

They look like this and now you can say you've "seen" one. Laughing!




With a smidge of luck my Vudoo V-22 18" Bart' Specter contour will arrive,along with (4) mags. Am waiting on a Weatherby filled McMillan Classic in Old Glory Flame to mate it with,but knowing me,I prolly have a Classic or two wearing AICS footprint DBM,as an initial solve. Which reminds me,I need to give McMillan a shout and see if they got the Vudoo V-22 programming numbers,so they can cut the ejection port for me,as I asked for it to be left alone,because it is shy of 40X/700 magnitude. Be nice if they had the Vudoo DBM footprint numbers too,though I opted to inlet different,if only because I've more than a few DBM's.

I hit Bob up on what's cookin' down the road and in regards to things I can share,6 Kreedmire in both primer sizing will happen directly and 22 Kreedmire isn't that far out. Will prolly yerk my 7.7" Krieger fluted #4 22-250AI spout and cut to the chase in 22 Kreedmire instead,fed with Alpha splendor. Prolly need a Chub one too,receiver-esque diameter and of course no more than 23",in a weighted 'Lectric Blue T-Hole BR-esque weighted handle,so the parcel crowds 20lbs for giggles.

Then of course there's multiple Krunchentickers to assemble and I done got peer pressured into a Maruto feesh hook order,which I need to R&D as well.



Caught wayyyyyyyyyy over 500,last pass alone. I get it,that you don't get it,because the only thing you "have" as a barometer of "evaluation" is you and your "means","abilities" and "comprehension"...you "lucky" kchunt. Laughing!



Google it all and nod your pointy head like you "understand". Hint. Laughing!

You CLUELESS Window Licking Fhuqks are a hoot!

Bless your heart for trying sooooooooooo hard.

Pardon the splendors of a 3 Week No Holds Barred Cast & Blast. Use ALL of your Imagination and Pretend,to "convince" yourself,that you'll not be hangin' on my every word and every Splendid Pixel,as you TRY to tell yourself you "could too".

Laughing!...........................

Ok. The answer to my question is I am a stupid fucque. Cool now I learned something from my honest question based on stick saying he would use a long action but would need sufficient reason. Thanks that helps.

The "revelation" of your being a Stupid Fhuqk,only came as a "surprise" to you. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I have prolly seen a Long Action or two and have a "hunch",that I've prolly shot a chambering or two,in a bore size or two and a twist rate or two. Laughing!

Boolits matter wayyyyyyy more than headstamps and here's to the HILARITY,of your being devoid a First Fhuqking Clue about either. That is fairly fhuqking impressive. Laughing!

Stupidity can't be helped,but you do "win" Humor Points for doing your best and being soooooooo incredibly far from connecting a single dot.

Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't. You Whining Kchunts really "get after it",as you "shoot" your Imaginations and Pretend.

Hint

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.........................