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I don't have any experience with the 1/7 and light bullets but it sounds like Formidilosus had good luck with them except at speeds above what you'll be pushing them with a .223 AI.

He is correct in bullets getting longer. The reason I mentioned it is that I've loved the 75 Amax for years in several 1/8's....however, I see that the newer 75 ELD has a 1/7 twist recommendation on the box.

For a 1,000 yard gun anyone who shoots bench rest would be building a Dasher.

Which would work for everything the OP listed, but if you are going to shoot "a lot" then making or buying the brass would be time consuming or costly.
Not to mention if you reload brass for 1,000 yds (and you are serious about accuracy) you might be getting custom dies to match your chamber, and a bunch of other things.

I've heard of "tactical 1000 yds" ... but those guns now run 16-18lbs so it wouldn't be something you shoot at short to medium range "a lot."
Frankly most people don't have access to a 1,000 yard range, and realize it typically requires a 20 MOA rail so your scope can reach it zero wise.

The 223 AI is a great for most of what you mention.

I went the 204 Ruger / 260 / 280 AI route for tiny critters, up to 350 yds, and reach out an touch something scenarios, with 24, 23, and 26" barrels.

The later 2 are Krieger barreled by a excellent bench rest smith... the 204 is a Tikka.
Of course I have a stupidly accurate 25-06 that I should sell but just can't get myself to let it go - it's a single hole gun (6 groups different days, years so far)

Good luck on your quest.
Spot

If you are going to try long range with a 223 you could really use the faster twist so +1

Just remember the super long bullets you may have to feed them one by one.

Even my AR 223 barrels from Krieger are 7.7 twists and now they offer 6.5 twists.

On the one by one feeding, the 700 action's mag box is an easy fix to allow longer OAL. Another option that I recommended researching are the new detachable mags as they come with a longer OAL right from the start and feeding (especially AI'd feeding) is centered making very smooth.

The only thing the OP is going to "shoot",is her mouth and Imagination...then she'll of course prove it. Laughing!.

If only in fairness,I shoot every chambering cited excepting the Dasher and because I've a coupla 6BR's that are 8" or faster. Hint.

Have a few .243" bore rifles and I most assuredly LOVE the 270 squirting 105's. Though none of my 270's are longer than 19" or slower than 8".



I'm of course rather sweet on the 6BR,as it is a Giant Killer,but the 6 Grendel is assuredly no slouch and happily housed in a Krunchenticker. On top of that,sensational brass abounds and my Lapooey Grendel brass,is fully the equal of my Lapooey BR brass in consistency and durability. Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess. There just "might" be sumptin',to reserve RPM,copious COAL latitude and a Smooch in conjunction. Hint.



Hell...I might even drive a few cases in both .224" and .243"?!? Laughing!



I reckon it ain't "fair" to shoot a coupla chamberings/boolits side by each,so as to be afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess. Hint.

Top left: 243 SALAMI 1-8",1-7" 223AI
Bottom left: 22-250 SALAMI 1-7",270 1-8",Six Twat-Six 1-8",243Aye-Eye 1-8",270 1-7.75",6-284 1-8",6BR 1-8",7-08 9",1717D HB (Google it),Clark LW Hummer(Google it).



I cain't speak to much in the way of 223AI's,as I've only got (13) of them in 7,8,9,10,12 and 14" RPM. Contours only run the gamut from sub Montucky shortened shank dupe(1-7" Rock) to straight receiver diameter(1-14" PN). ADL,BDL and DBM. It remains my favorite chambering of All Time and I prolly gun more than a few. Hint.

I'm rather at ease to welllllll beyond the 1000yd line,with much less than 9X glass,whether it 223,223AI or 270. If only because I do so daily and my mainstay rifles in said chamberings,wear glass shy of that many X's. I reckon a certain beloved Montucky 270 with a miserly 18" spout and it's 4x glass,fhuqks with more heads wayyyyy beyond 1K with it's 105's,than anything else I shoot and having 50 Mils of latitude in total on tap from a 200yd zero,prolly don't suck. For more than a "few" reasons,it's inspired a schit ton of builds so chambered. The poignant profundity of my influence,is money in the bank for the astute...which is much to the chagrin of Window Lickers. Few things fhuqking FUNNIER,than them facts. Hint. Laughing!

The 270/105 melding is rather sumptin' special. ES/SD is simply amazingly trite. COAL easily accounted for,in a boltgun of repute. One never need fret projectile integrity,bone breaking or terminal affects and with the Hornie 105HPBT's,it's nearly free to shoot. Easy for me to say,if only because I've shot/got it all. Hint.

I getta kick outta CLUELESS Kchunt Window Lickers using their Imaginations to Pretend about a Fantasy Rifle that will never exist or get "shot". FUNNY schit!

Never have heard of a DBM...or have I?!? This "tricky" stuff is so cornfusing. Laughing!

Tough to beat an MDT 10 and the AICS polly attempt,is a folly. Hint.



Though day in/day out and for sheer Utility an AM 5-rounder is THE winner. Ask me how I KNOW? Hint. Laughing!



GOOD talk. It is always entertaining to grant Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks an opportunity,to showcase their AMAZING Dumbfhuqktitude.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!.........................

Big Stick,

can you expound on the 270/105 a little more?

"The 270/105 melding is rather sumptin' special. ES/SD is simply amazingly trite. COAL easily accounted for,in a boltgun of repute. One never need fret projectile integrity,bone breaking or terminal affects and with the Hornie 105HPBT's,it's nearly free to shoot. Easy for me to say,if only because I've shot/got it all. Hint."

Another vote for a faster twist. Starting a 6mm AI with a 1 in 8 twist but if I were to do it over again I would go 1 in 7.5 or 7.8 to make sure it could handle the 115s.
6x45 or 47 AI would be a fun gun to hunt with no bad choices.

6x45 never doesn't not equal 270. Tough to beat the Hornie 105HPBT as a day in and day out ruggedly reliable hammer,but there's more than a few nice candidates with it's BC or better.

Left of frame to right: 270/108ELD,6 Grendel/108ELD,6BR/110Sugar,6XC/108ELD,6 Kreedmire/108ELD,243 SALAMI/105BTHP,243 Aye-Eye/105'Max,6mm Rem/105'Max,6mm Rem Aye-Eye/105'Max,6-284/105HPBT,Six Twat-Six/105HPBT

270/105HPBT in AM 5-rounder,OEM 700 S/A box and 6 Kreedmire/108ELD in bindered AICS 5-rounder



Tough for me to get horned up about Sugars,mainly because I shoot 'em.(grin) The LAST [bleep] thing I'd do is build a Goat Fhuqked 6mm Rem Aye-Eye twist it 7.5" and get "giddy" about a Sugar Launcher. Hint. Laughing!

All are in a fhuqking hurry to get the cart wayyyyyyyy in front of the horse and schit is simply fhuqking stupid easy,if you let it be. Simply twist and throat to COAL latitude and excellence happens by fhuqking default. 'Course you gotta shoot a smidge too and everyone "thinks" proficiency can purchased...which it assuredly can NOT. Brass quality matters more than a smidge too and nobody savvies that either. Often veddy veddy intellesting to gun a crummy load of splendid wares in side by each extrapolations,in like conditions and I prolly do so daily. Spent primers remain THE Supreme Tutorial,no matter the "power" of CLUELESS Window Licker's Imaginations and Pretend. Hint.

Easy for me to say,as I've shot/got it all.

Less is more.

Hint...................

Ok gotcha. In general terms, how much do you like the 6x45?

80 Amax / Varget was stellar in my T3/SWFA set up.

'state,

I don't like the 270 very much,but I sure as schit fhuqking LOVE it. It just connects alotta dots very easily,as the precision is simply fhuqking stupid and it's not tough to swoon 100fps+ for every grain of powder. Hint.

In a 18" Sveltetified Montucky,it balances superbly,holds (5) in the belly and has a pile driving ass. Recoil is a lark and it just simply CRUSHES schit.

I'll build another...or two.(grin)

Hint...............








'bore,

The jump to 80 from 75's has never offset the velocity difference,for me. Simply put,the BC increase don't cover the velocity decrease.

The 75ELD is absofhuqkinglutely amazing and flies true to it's assigned .467 aero form,in a herd of my rifles wearing .224" bore sizing. I have yet to see Varget shine in anything,especially those chamberings wearing a .378" casehead...though it sucks in .473's too. I tend to form 75 ELD's at 2925fps ala Lever' Smooches in more than a couple/few 223AI's. I shoot 75HPBT's at 2800fps+ in a favorite 18" Wylde Krunchenticker Middie,with Lever' as fuel and 2850fps in a favored Rifle SPR. 75ELD magfed Smooches in a 20" Rifle gas Krunchenticker,will crowd 3100fps in 22 Grendel(s). 105's will nudge 2750fps in Rifle gas magfed Smooches in 6 Grendel(s) ala Lever'. I hear good thangs about it in 6BR too,amongst other chamberings in the larder. Hint.

7" is a nice place to be in .224",if you have the COAL to align with it. 8" has never let me down and is a mainstay in the particulars cited above,which encompasses more than a "few" rifles.

2700fps+ 105's on top,2800fps+ 75HPBT's below...6 Grendel and 223 SALAMI respectively. The "long" one is 20". Kinda/sorta got on a Rhodesian kick.



22/6 Grendel COAL in ASC's is essentially HUGE and though one could squirt 110 Sugars...I wouldn't.




Hint.




80JLK's Dagger Bitch Smooches are wicked,when housed/chambered in the 22 version of same. The 75 ELD for me,if only obviously.

It's never not intellesting,to extrapolate more than a few splendid wares and call 'em what they is. Hell...I've seen me do it.(grin)



Funniest part is...the OP ain't gonna "shoot' anything,excepting her mouth and Imagination.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!..............................

Interesting findings Stick. Don't have much in the .224 bore except a 22-250 and .223 and I think it was you that put me onto the .223 AI and I appreciate it. Shoots like a house a fire but with the factory fluted barrel ITD screwed on for me, it still wears the 12 twist from the factory and leaves me with best results with the 40 grain BT's at warp speed. Not complaining at all as they do wondrous things to critters at all ranges so far. Coyotes turn inside out when they stand still a smidge too long.

After much experimentation, I found Varget to be the best propellant in my 22-250 with the 40 grain BT's (also wearing the factory 12 twist bore). Puts them out right at the label stated- 4100 fps verified by chrono and the accuracy is pretty amazing. One hole groups are pretty much the norm with that rifle when I'm up to it.

Wish I could shoot the heavies just for kicks and grins, but I've got other fish to fry right now so experimenting with barrels, twists, bullets, powder, etc... is on the back burner until I get retired next spring and get our house built. Wish I had that handy shooting range you call home available to me like you do. The coast range is a long drive some days when you try to squeeze in some load work up...

Take care,
Bob

Funniest part is...the OP ain't gonna "shoot' anything,excepting her mouth and Imagination.

Bless her heart.

Laughing!..............................[/quote]



Ooooh you got me there Big Stink
I just load rounds to look at.
Hope some day I can be as awesomeness as you and shoot 3500 rounds a day.

You pathetic little turd. Still butthurt over that feller stealing your old lady.







A few I took out today,

Ok, gotta ask. What would be reason enough to go to a long action? What cartridge would make you do that?

The only one that comes close would be a 220 swift, in a Mauser. I consider the Mauser to be a medium action though.

Figured 6.5/06 or something. I just wondered. Stick often talks as if there is a right and a wrong, and that one's preferences don't matter.

The 6.5-06 , 270 etc.... are great and I own both , they are just in a different class than what I am trying to accomplish here.

Now match the swift with an 1/8 twist barrel and you have a combination of retro cool and extreme performance.

As far as Stick, if you follow him through the years what he is using at the present time is right and everything else is junk and you are an idiot for using it
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Stick is a narcissist and if you can get past his ego and decipher his dribble you can learn a few things, or you can do your own testing and research and learn a lot with out the ego bias.

Stick is a wack job

I know. Just was curious what the "right" reason he has reached is.

Stick believes extreme efficiency is the best and only route. I.E. burn the least powder with the most "down range"performance.

Can't imagine needing to do that with any of them. There are a few 100 grain 22 caliber bullets out there and that might be a reason but I have never tried them. Not sure what twist they would take but it will be slow maybe 1-6 or even 1-5.