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Mjduct, you made a great purchase IMO. When using them, you will never, ever utter the words "I sure wish I hadn't spent this much on binoculars". They are a joy to use. I briefly had the 8x32SV's, wanting to take them to Namibia. Everything was great except that they had horrible glare control issues. Way worse than the 10x42 and 10x50's. You've likely got the best all around bino known to mankind. Enjoy!
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Good choice. I love my 8.5x42's, They will be the last binocular I will ever have to buy.
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Despite the high price tag, I've never regretted getting Swaros
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The lack of sharp edges compared to the Swarovision bothers me not at all and I dislike the globe effect/rolling ball effect of the Swarovision when panning though I can see it as a possible advantage when grid searching a hill side mounted on a tripod (having the whole FOV in focus and sharp).
To the OP I say try the SLC before you buy the Swarovison.
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If you're susceptible to the rolling ball effect, the 50's seem to minimize it the most.
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I saw the rolling ball initially but after a few minutes of use I don't even notice it now, in my current hunting/ usage I don't do alot of panning, being able to "look around in the picture" that the swarovision allows is well worth the extra expense and slight distraction that it might cause me.
I think that I saw it more in the 8x32 and the 10x42 models I looked through, maybe with the 8.5x42 my eyes were dialated smaller than the exit pupil (mid-morning on a very bright day looking into the same direction as the sun) removing some of it. If that theory is correct, the 10x50mm versions would have even less with their larger exit pupil.
I went out last night and this morning and played with them some more and it took alot of work at zero light to get the diopter locked in just perfectly, I had to use 2 branches at about 90 yards away they were hanging down about 1/2" apart and were thinner than a pencil, and I had to uplight them so their background was black and they were light gray/ white and get the left eye focused in and then adjust the right diopter to see 2 branches instead of 1-.5" thick branch. This was about 30 minutes before sunrise.
I also took some time at lunch to go outside and look around, saw a few butterflies while scouting for birds, and followed them around in the sky at about 60-70 yards. No issues with rolling ball chasing them in all their erratic flight patterns. I feel for those who have issues with it, this glass is amazing.
I can't wait to look at fur and antler with these things!!!!
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I have owned a slew of "alpha" binoculars in the last several years to include:
Early 8.5x42 Swarovision Zeiss Victory FL 10x42 Swarovski EL pre swarovision 8.5x42 Zeiss Victory HT 10x42 Zeiss Victory HT 8x42-still own Swarovski 2015 Swarovision Swarovski current model SLC HD 10x42-still own
I have tested the alpha's against many "almost alpha" designs that are on the market today.
The finest binocular I have seen optically overall so far is my 10x42 SLC HD. Its handling and focus mechanism as well as finish is not as nice as the Victory HT or Swarovision though so I am not saying it is the best all aspects considered. Just optically.
I bought the Victory HT 10x42 and Swarovision 10x42 trying to see if the SLC's sharpness could be bested but the SLC optically came out ahead. Its brighter than the Swarovision in low light and has a larger sweet spot and better contrast as well as sharpness over the Victory HT. The SLC also has a better depth of field over either and is easier to get perfect focus (has more leeway) than either.
The lack of sharp edges compared to the Swarovision bothers me not at all and I dislike the globe effect/rolling ball effect of the Swarovision when panning though I can see it as a possible advantage when grid searching a hill side mounted on a tripod (having the whole FOV in focus and sharp).
To the OP I say try the SLC before you buy the Swarovison.
As far a s the 8x verses 10x for a hunting role it is no contest. You will see far greater detail (espically in low light) with the 10x over the 8x. Timberbuck, thanks for that quick analogy. I have a pair of Swaro 10x42 SLC HD's inbound and can't wait to try them out.
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If you don't want field flattening lenses, then the SLC's are fine...along with the original EL's if you want open bridge design.
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Mjduct-I was concerned about the "rolling ball effect" as I have always been very susceptible to motion sickness. However, I've spent many hours over several years panning lots of western landscape on elk hunts using a Swaro10x42 EL. No problems whatsoever. I know little about the technical aspects of optics and continue to wonder if this effect is real or something that has been played up and exaggerated by Internet optical experts.
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Mjduct-I was concerned about the "rolling ball effect" as I have always been very susceptible to motion sickness. However, I've spent many hours over several years panning lots of western landscape on elk hunts using a Swaro10x42 EL. No problems whatsoever. I know little about the technical aspects of optics and continue to wonder if this effect is real or something that has been played up and exaggerated by Internet optical experts.
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If you don't want field flattening lenses, then the SLC's are fine...along with the original EL's if you want open bridge design. At $500 off retail and the EL's another $1200-1600, yeah I'm ok with the SLC's. Thanks for the info.
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Mjduct-I was concerned about the "rolling ball effect" as I have always been very susceptible to motion sickness. However, I've spent many hours over several years panning lots of western landscape on elk hunts using a Swaro10x42 EL. No problems whatsoever. I know little about the technical aspects of optics and continue to wonder if this effect is real or something that has been played up and exaggerated by Internet optical experts. Its been exaggerated to no end.. I've sold hundreds of pairs or swaros, leicas, etc, in the real world, less than 1% of users actually notice it. Of that 1 % 99% don't notice it in the 50's.
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If you really want to boost the images on the Swaros (EL & SLC) get a set of the winged eyecups, they block the side light and it is amazing how much better the images is. Disclaimer - if you wear glasses you will not like them since you have to take your glasses off for them to be effective.
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Drover, I loved the glass on my 8x42 SLC's but they weren't quite perfect.
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Yep, looks like a good farmer fix to me.
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I agree with the winged eye cups. I run them on my SLC's and they are a great addition.
The 10x50 Swarovision is awesome but I gave up on carrying a 10x50 as a primary hunting binocular years ago.
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As has been previously stated, a purchase you will never regret making. They are by far my most used piece of equipment.
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I agree with the winged eye cups. I run them on my SLC's and they are a great addition.
The 10x50 Swarovision is awesome but I gave up on carrying a 10x50 as a primary hunting binocular years ago.
Local Dirt-you are welcome. Timberbuck, I wear glasses. (old fart). Will the winged eye cups work for me?
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I agree with the winged eye cups. I run them on my SLC's and they are a great addition.
The 10x50 Swarovision is awesome but I gave up on carrying a 10x50 as a primary hunting binocular years ago.
Local Dirt-you are welcome. Timberbuck, I wear glasses. (old fart). Will the winged eye cups work for me? Not timber buck - but no they will not. drover
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Nice ones there dirt.. not likely to have regrets
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