Just a quick shout out so folks can know the date.
We will have our regular camp/shoot with the added addition of a service for our compadre Greg/crossfireoops.
This event started with myself and Greg at Greg's place, went some years there and then moved to Tonto when the range we used in SV changed their policies for our use.
Greg's service will be a cowboy camp memorial, it may be as short as my personal eulogy or as long as others wish to share their remembrances. We will toast and remember our friend and compatriot and share some tears and laughs.
Mostly we will shoot guns, eat, BS and enjoy each others company for as long as we can in this life.
We will put up location, same place as last few years, and details as this thread evolves.
I remember at the first dinner I looked up at his big flag he had flying and said... how bought we do the pledge with saying grace... he got this big smile and twinkle in his eye and said... let's... I was proud to say grace and lead the pledge that day. We do the pledge every camp since then.
Well, dang, I was hoping to make it this year even if I had to pass on my HAM hunt for javelina. I may still be able to, IF I don't draw a turkey tag over by Flagstaff later in the spring. Retirement is great in many ways, but medical bills this year and hopefully that hunt and I'll not be able to afford two long trips from the border of CA and OR to the Tonto.
If I don't draw a tag, perhaps I can make it to Tonto, visit with you folks and my brothers in AZ.
Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
I too put the date on my calendar. I’ve been lurking on the Campfire for several years, posted little, but read it everyday. I don’t believe I’ve ever met anyone from the fire so this may be a chance to put faces with handles. I hope I can make it.
Dennis
Dennis
Lets start over and talk about something you know about, like Mexican food.
Well if Ed is going I might be able to sneak in while no one is looking.
A quick weather check says the average is into the 70's during the day and down into the low 40's at night. I have a good bag and a tarp. I will survive..
Kent, thanks for the open invite. I sure wish I had gone to meet him in person. Please post/let us know what we could bring to the gathering.
Well if things here at home settle, mebbe, just mebbe this will be the year. Too soon to tell.
Hating missing last year.
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
As I sit in 20'ish weather and 8" of snow at my place in north Idaho I see no reason why I could miss this. Might get my wife to attend.
Framed a gazebo yesterday for my dentist. He has a nice pool in his backyard (unheated). The guy I work with on this kind of stuff had his grandkids come clean up. As soon as they were done they were in the pool- for an hour! November 4th and swimming outside in an unheated pool- what a messed up year!
Looking forward to Tonto basin in Feb.
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Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
Well if Ed is going I might be able to sneak in while no one is looking.
A quick weather check says the average is into the 70's during the day and down into the low 40's at night. I have a good bag and a tarp. I will survive..
Kent, thanks for the open invite. I sure wish I had gone to meet him in person. Please post/let us know what we could bring to the gathering.
We've been lucky with the weather every year, it can get wet and windy in feb.
We supply food for Friday dinner through sunday breakfast. Those traveling just need to get there and have their personal items... and a fun attitude.
Some come early and I will have food if I come a day early for anyone there.
Ed, Doc and I will probably go up together. Not sure if we will drive or fly in Docs plane, will depend on weather.
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Kent, we will attempt to attend - mostly revolves around Dr's appointments. We're hoping our issues are resolved by then. Not having been there - do you think we should bring the camp trailer, or maybe use a local (or semi-local) motel?
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Either will work, the motel is about 5 miles, Joe can best describe it as he stays there, it's not difficult to pull the trailer in if that's your preference, we are about 1 1/2 miles in on a dirt road.
Mark, you could easily get your camp trailer into the site, but Joy might be more comfortable in the motel. Miles got in an out just fine with his mobile Taj Mahal.
Ben
Some days it takes most of the day for me to do practically nothing...
We're thinking about NOT pulling the "bunkhouse" that far - for just a couple of nights. Yes, Ben - her comfort is paramount to me, right now. (He!! - I could make do in the pickup bed, myself. )
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Anyone with a blackpowder or sharps or GTC appropriate gun bring it, we will do a 'salute' to our friend.
Kent
If I can make it I will have appropriate weaponry!!!! Sorry I do not have a cannon.
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Anyone with a blackpowder or sharps or GTC appropriate gun bring it, we will do a 'salute' to our friend.
Kent
If I can make it, you can bet your ass there will be a Sharps in attendance. After all, it was Greg that got me started on this BPCR addiction!
Might even bring some extra BP just in case...
Ed
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
I have a few cannons you can borrow, Just need to figure out the logistics to get them there from Iowa and back. Greg and I talked about big bore carriage mounted noise makers on more than one occasion Russ
Mark, I spent 4 hours with Greg the last time I stopped by his place. Talked all about cannons. I bet you that I know where you could "borrow" one from. I'd sure like to "borrow" it.
Be it known to friend and foe: I've got the whole week scheduled off. Miles, Kaywoodie, Blue, Ed, Ed, Doc and anyone else that plans on arriving early, let me know. I'll meet you at the campsite a few days early so that I can enjoy your company.
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Little Mary got a bow and arrows for her birthday and would surely bring that.
Norm
Norman Solberg International lawyer, lately for 25 years in Japan, now working on trusts in the US, the 3rd greatest tax haven. NRA Life Member for over 50 years, NRA Endowment (2014), Patron (2016).
I might could make that if you guys can put up with a retired LEO...I make good chili,,,
Well, they put up with me and I don't even make "good" chili...
I do make a mean pot of coffee, though.
Ed
"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell
Come one, come all. The more the merrier. Maybe relieve KRP from having to cook one day, and have a Chili cook off.
Ed can pour some of his coffee in the chili
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Special congrats to Dennis on that bull elk and Kent for all he did on that hunt/retrieve - looks like it was a challenging deal. Dennis is tough enough, but I'll bet he thanked his stars for Kent on that one. Nice work, guys. Can we get the story at least once in Feb. at Tonto?
Special congrats to Dennis on that bull elk and Kent for all he did on that hunt/retrieve - looks like it was a challenging deal. Dennis is tough enough, but I'll bet he thanked his stars for Kent on that one. Nice work, guys. Can we get the story at least once in Feb. at Tonto?
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Ugly dudes are the better hunters, they know all the spots, don't need to ask what bullet or broadhead to use, have extensive scouting experience, can shoot on their hind legs at running animals and not miss.
Pretty boys worry about their hair and how to dress for chicks, what drink to order and what line to use to get puzzy... they need help killing animals.
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Ugly dudes are the better hunters, they know all the spots, don't need to ask what bullet or broadhead to use, have extensive scouting experience, can shoot on their hind legs at running animals and not miss. Pretty boys worry about their hair and how to dress for chicks, what drink to order and what line to use to get puzzy... they need help killing animals. Kent
This man has developed some valuable experiential knowledge worth heeding. Where did he get it?
Ugly dudes are the better hunters, they know all the spots, don't need to ask what bullet or broadhead to use, have extensive scouting experience, can shoot on their hind legs at running animals and not miss. Pretty boys worry about their hair and how to dress for chicks, what drink to order and what line to use to get puzzy... they need help killing animals. Kent
This man has developed some valuable experiential knowledge worth heeding. Where did he get it?
from Cheryl.....
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Goes to prove the old adage... some girls don't like guys like me... but some girls do...
Don't bring flowers on a date... bring venison jerky.
Kent
On the second date with my now wife she didn’t have a firearm in her place so instead of flowers I brought her a single shot 20ga and a box of #1 buckshot. She was tickled and I Knew then that this was the lady I was spending the rest of my life with. 😉
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Put me on the maybe list. Depends if I start a new job or not. IF I get the promotion, I won’t have time off. If I don’t get it, then we are planning on going.
I have a question for you fine gentleman(and Kent),if Judy cannot make it and I go,can I stay with one of you who have a travel trailer? The reason I ask is the insulin I take needs to be refrigerated and I don't want to rent a motel room just for me.
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
on my calendar hope i can make it, 3 days travel.but then i can spend some time in the 4 corners , been wanting to do that.
norm
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky
From Northern Alberta to AZ? Well I guess that will be the new record on how far someone traveled to make the meet...
We'll have to brush up on our Canadian to make Norm feel welcomed... eh?
Safe travels Norm....and look forward to handing the travel record over to someone new...
well I 'am back in Victoria, so now it's a ferry ride plus some travel,, ha ha with a 30' fifth wheel.here's hopeing
norm
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky
From Northern Alberta to AZ? Well I guess that will be the new record on how far someone traveled to make the meet...
We'll have to brush up on our Canadian to make Norm feel welcomed... eh?
Safe travels Norm....and look forward to handing the travel record over to someone new...
well I 'am back in Victoria, so now it's a ferry ride plus some travel,, ha ha with a 30' fifth wheel.here's hopeing
norm
Sir, Are you a AAA automobile club member? Is so, or if you know someone who is, I strongly suggest getting their "Indian Country" map. It is an incredible journey.
need to talk to CCCC and krp to get more info on the 4 corners ,weather in FEB around the region and things to see'
norm
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky
Part of my heritage comes from the 4 corners region, my Powell/Shelton relatives were spread out from Durango to Silver city, Cliffton to Safford. Many worked for El Paso gas, dry farmed in Dove Creek, my great grandparents Shelton are buried in Durango. My grandmother was 17 when they died, went to live with her older sister in Wilcox and met my grandfather at a dance in Safford, was married in Miami, Az. Her brother and my cousins stayed in Farmington and worked in the gas fields. My grandfather worked as a welder at times for El Paso when they brought their gas lines through AZ. I myself worked in the gas fields around Farmington on a Frac crew, had lots of cousins to hang out with.
I've fished the San Juan, lake Powell, Dolores fiver and other creeks, killed elk, explored indian ruins, skied Telluride/Silverton and once as a kid stood on the four corner marker.
That said there's not much happening in february except sking and staying warm, you might visit Mesa Verde and Canyon de chelly. So far the weather has stayed warm and if you fly fish the San Juan river or Lee's ferry may produce good fishing.
Not what I'd call the four corners but the Grand canyon is always a good spot to sight see even in the winter, it is cold at 7500 ft elevation in february, I have enjoyed the winter day there. It is still packed with people even then.
Shiprock... don't stop there, Cortez is 40 miles north or Farmington 40 miles east, depending on which way you are headed.
Friday dinner will be our traditional steak and fish, beans and tater salad
Saturday dinner I'm making elk tamales, tacos, rice, beans sopapillas, flour tortillas... may do dutch oven enchiladas if folks really want them again.
Anyway, I made that taco/tamale dinner for family 2 days ago, 16 folks from age 2 to 91. Mia helped my sister make ice cream and the young'uns picked navels, which has become a holiday tradition for them.
Monument Valley is awe inspiring. The visitor center is impressive, even if it is run by the Indians. The view from there is worth the time and small charge to check it out. There is good parking there for trailers and motor-homes. also.
I had never been to Zion National Park before this past year. It definitely exceeded my expectations. Shiprock was a disappointment.
Lots of wide-open country and beautiful scenery in the Grand Canyon area. No matter how many pictures of the Grand Canyon one has seen, there is nothing like standing on the edge and taking it all in, in person.
Nifty-250
"If you don't know where you're going, you may wind up somewhere else". Yogi Berra
Me and the wife on the way home from Quemado, drove thru it, as that is the way the hwy went...
it was late at night, and the front gate was open but no one to charge you for the trip thru...
There was a full moon out and no one else on the road....being after midnight...
The wife and I were both in shock going thru there at night, and with a full moon...
one of the most breathe taking things I've ever seen.. and I've been around some...
we did a u turn after getting to the other end of the park... and went back thru it, and sacked out in the car at the east entrance... woke up early tho, and still no one at the gate...but I have a senior National Park pass so it wouldn't have cost us anything anyway...
So we went back thru it again the next morning...it was once again breathe taking... but not nearly as it was going thru at night with a full moon...
it gave the concept of awesome a whole new dimension....
definitely wouldn't bypass Zion N.P. and Norm, I've been all over BC.. so you might be immune to some of our 'beauty' down here, compared to what is an every day occurrence in BC...
but I don't think you'd want to miss this one... regardless if it is out of the way, its worth every mile..
SE Utah and SW Colorado were also wonderful places to visit.... just like a lot of BC, just places that seem like they must be what heaven is like...
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Norm, the guys here have given good info about that area in general. The more enjoyable aspects for me have been on the way to or through the FC area - Monument Valley, Canyon de Chelly (sp?), fishing the San Juan, Mesa Verde, hunting the Uncompahgre plateau, etc. Actually, sites to the west have been more impressive in my case - Zion, Bryce, and especially the Grand Canyon. Kent is correct - will be probably be rather cold at the GC in Feb. (but it's a dry cold) however the views at sunrise with a dusting of snow on the facets can about the best of what is there for me. No matter how many times seen or down in there, it seems hard to beat.
There is more detailed info available from folks here. Sure hope you can make it to the gathering - safe travels.
thanks guys it all helps , the girl friend [ soon to be wife ] has been there on a tour but there is nothing like other first hand experience and male perspective,,smile,,.
norm
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky
Also, I just drove across the Navajo Reservation last October. Their main roads are batter than any I drove on in California. There are new modern gas stations as well. A lot of money had gone into the Res since I've been there last.
Well lucky you. Thousands of tags still available. But Dave and I did not get drawn.Did you see the picture of your javelina that you had hanging at Roosevelt?
I can make it now if you don't mind strangers from California. What do think I could bring to contribute? Also, any tips on your experience from there? You said the weather should be fine for camping. Anything else?
Tracy - Kent will have more info - but it normally is warmish and dry, high desert foothills, mesquite, palo verde, cactus, etc. Kent or Dennis probably will post "needs" for folks to bring, if there are any. Although a stranger from CA may be suspect and watched carefully, it will be no more acute than with the strangers from WA, CO, AR, TX, MT, and other far points. Glad you can make it.
Well literally minutes ago I was discussing this with my wife, given a Tuscon friend and I will be heading to my place in north Idaho the two weeks prior, and she highly recommended I leave once more for Tonto. Not sure what she is telling me but I am good to go and should be there. Debating on pulling my trailer or tenting it. If anyone is looking for a San Antonio area based road trip let me know.
Tracy,
Contrary to the PM I just sent, Parkside sausage would be more than welcomed. Also, I showed up fairly pronto a couple of years ago and just gave Kent some cash to help with the costs.
We ask folks to bring whatever snacks they may want, adult beverages for themselves, a coffee cup maybe. Now of course many bring extra for all so it's not necessary really.
Food wise from Friday dinner to Sunday breakfast it's supplied. I know folks like to contribute, desserts are welcome. I've found out it's easier for me to supply the main dishes and way too hard to keep track of who's bringing what... I end up with too many eggs and not enough of other things... if someone has to back out I have to figure what it was they were bringing and compensate.
Much easier if I have control and as Ed said a small food donation is accepted but not mandatory, food money is carried over from each event, it has always worked out. Mostly us locals want to host and those traveling just get here, bring shooting irons, have a good time and travel safe.
Well literally minutes ago I was discussing this with my wife, given a Tuscon friend and I will be heading to my place in north Idaho the two weeks prior, and she highly recommended I leave once more for Tonto. Not sure what she is telling me but I am good to go and should be there. Debating on pulling my trailer or tenting it. If anyone is looking for a San Antonio area based road trip let me know.
Tracy,
Contrary to the PM I just sent, Parkside sausage would be more than welcomed. Also, I showed up fairly pronto a couple of years ago and just gave Kent some cash to help with the costs.
not looking good for me ,suppost to start radiation Dec 15 still not started more scans now waiting for a byopsy on back of throut and tounge ,,more and more delays then 35 sessions of radiation,. I won't go into more detail but i am getting pissed at the time delays , hard to plan anything waiting for life to have a clear path.
norm
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky
but as a cancer survivor, as with ALL cancer victims... you and your health are always in the prayers of those of us who have walked the path before you....
stay strong, and God Bless for return to good health...
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Norm, Sorry to hear that you're not able to attend. What part of BC are you in ? I lived in BC for a brief period of time back in the early 80's
Jeff
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Victoria now and its my home town, but lived in Midway north of Ferry County Wash ,ST. for 15 years and am looking tobbuy a place just outside of Vernon BC.
I might make it to the 4 corners in early May on a honey moon trip, if I can get all this medical stuff done , its the 4th time around.
norm
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky
I lived in Chilliwack, Quesnel, Salmon Arm. Vanderhoof, Kamloops and Pentiction... I guess I got around. I was in Victoria 2 years ago come March. We had a wonderful time.
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
I lived in Chilliwack, Quesnel, Salmon Arm. Vanderhoof, Kamloops and Pentiction... I guess I got around. I was in Victoria 2 years ago come March. We had a wonderful time.
YOU beeneverywhere man breathed the mountain air man I've been everywhere..
you did get around what kind of work ???or where you on the run [[smilie face.]]
norm
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky
but as a cancer survivor, as with ALL cancer victims... you and your health are always in the prayers of those of us who have walked the path before you....
stay strong, and God Bless for return to good health...
Ditto - from "The Warden" and me. John spoke well. BTW - it appears we'll attend, good folk. I look forward to meeting fresh "victims"
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Hello folks. Dennis will be the lead guy for our shooting contests at the Tonto event, and I will be helping him with setup, materials, etc.. Owl, if you have any 4" targets or 4" spots to spare, we may need those.
Dennis wrote out the info for each shoot event and decided to call them "disciplines". Not sure why he was inspired to use that term, but maybe Karen has been laying down the law since he got back from the Alaska wilds and he's had to clean up his act. So - here they are.
Scheduled Shooting Disciplines for Tonto Basin
1.) The Rimfire Shoot at 30 yards: ANY rimfire sporting rifle (or pistol), iron sights only- no optics. May use front rest, bipod, shooting sticks etc. Shooting rest must touch the ground. NO benchrest. 5 shots at 1/2" dot superimposed on a varmint silhouette TBD. Smallest group with at least 1 shot hitting the dot wins.
2.) The 22 Rimfire shoot at 150 yards. Any 22 Long Rifle sporting rifle. Any sight is allowed. 5 shots at 4" disc, smallest group with at least one hit on the disc wins. Any shooting position allowed.
3.) The Prairie Dog shoot at 150 yards. One shot at a 1" (or smaller) dot superimposed on a prairie dog target using any sporting rifle with any sights. Closest to center of the dot wins. This can be shot from any position.
4.) The Sporting Rifle 3-shot group shoot. 3 shots at a 1" dot at 150 yards, any sporting rifle, any sights, any shooting position. Smallest group with at least one hit on the dot wins.
but as a cancer survivor, as with ALL cancer victims... you and your health are always in the prayers of those of us who have walked the path before you....
stay strong, and God Bless for return to good health...
Ditto - from "The Warden" and me. John spoke well. BTW - it appears we'll attend, good folk. I look forward to meeting fresh "victims"
hey Mark, that is great you and your lovely wife will be at Tonto..
that way,I don't have to drive all the way to Las Vegas to visit you two after Tonto is over....
just for anyone who would like to know... I'm going to be going up to Potlandia and picking up Scott F... who asked to ride down with me...
Milo has also offered to let Scott F to sack out in his Motor Home... so Scott will be sleeping good and also warm....
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Good morning gang. My presence is still tenative. I will probably have a better idea when we get closer to the event. Things here can change between breakfast and lunch.
Currently have a large bore flintlock just aching for some powder & ball time. Im really hoping I can pull this trip off. But just not able to commit.
Will keep you posted
Vôtre serviteur,
Bob
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
There are multiple ways to get to Punkin center, first timers let me know which direction you will be traveling from and I will figure the best route.
From Punkin center go west on FS409, big dirt rd down a ridge about a mile until there is a rd to the right, turn north, the road gets rougher but a car can make it, half mile to camp.
First timers exchange phone numbers with me and I can guide you in if needed, or meet at the highway.
Hello folks. Dennis will be the lead guy for our shooting contests at the Tonto event, and I will be helping him with setup, materials, etc.. Owl, if you have any 4" targets or 4" spots to spare, we may need those.[/b]
Yes, I have them. I'll work with Dennis and bring what ever is needed, and in my possession.
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Mark, you could easily get your camp trailer into the site, but Joy might be more comfortable in the motel. Miles got in an out just fine with his mobile Taj Mahal.
Miles, have not heard you chiming in... Are you going to be able to make it this year ?
Jeff
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Jim - this is FANTASTIC news. We have missed you and Niki a bunch - it has been way too long. The bull shooting has been pretty good, but it's bound to get better with you among us. You'll probably meet a few fine critter that have shown up since you drifted off. Hope you arrive in time for dinner on Friday - we'll be watching for you.
Howdy to the Campfire gang. I will be there this year, but Michael will not. He has a competition that weekend. I will be bringing an old friend with me if he stays healthy enough. I'm sure he will enjoy everyone's comany and vice versa. We will be in my motorhome this year, if anybody needs to borrow a tent, i have 2 available. A 10x10 and a 10x13. Both are easy up tents. Just let me know and I will bring them. Looking forward to seeing everyone again and meeting the newcomers. I will bring a BP muzzle loader for the salute. (Although it is a modern inline). If anyone needs something that they don't want to travel with and I can pick it up for you on my way in let me know and I will get it. I thinks it going to be another great weekend of shooting , bs-ing and eating all the great food.
Only a dingleberry, not yet a Turdlike person, maybe someday!!!
Originally Posted by northern_dave
I am happier than a retard in a room full of bouncy balls right now!!
Is there any logic to choosing ranges outside what many of can shoot that have zero access to public land? My range runs to 100 yards, no more so 150 or ??? is tough. What is the basis for the shoots?
Ed - good questions. One thing we have learned through these many gatherings is that it is way better to be able to run the shooting activities at or very near the campsite. We've managed to do otherwise a few times early on, but it was messy and not near as enjoyable.
The location in Tonto basin is flat enough in general to enable decent spots for campers/tents for the number that normally attend and a good common area for eating, spreading bull, etc., - but the surroundings are hilly so, to shoot at that site, we are pretty much limited to 150 yards. For the summer event up in the forest at Armijo Springs, we can reach out to 300 yards from the camp site.
Why do we shoot some events at more than 100 yards? We do this to provide variety of shooting activity not enabled elsewhere and, because some of these guys are very good shooters, we do it to create good challenges. Yes, some folks are at a disadvantage in some cases due to dearth of longer range practice sites, lack of time to practice, less sophisticated equipment than others, diminished eyesight, etc., etc. Always happens. Two summers ago we ran a very short range contest - a big game shoot complete with a fast charging elephant, and shot only with big bore rifles and heavy bullets/loads. The range got down to less than 10 feet. I think we did not allow scopes. It was successful, but some guys were at a disadvantage because they did not own such a rifle and had to use someone else's if they wanted to join in, some had never shot a big bore heavy rifle at a moving target, and some simply didn't want to deal with that level of recoil energy. But - we all had fun - including the spectators and that fast running guy that pulled the targets. We'll probably use an ATV the next time - if there is a next time.
With regard to distances, we reason that the three 150 yard shoots aren't very much more challenging than a 100 yard shoot - some folks may need to adjust sights once in camp, and there is plenty of time/opportunity for that. An exception may be the .22LR shoot at 150 yds. That one is a bit of a wild card - and if there is any wind of note, high-dollar equipment/ammo and previous practice can prove inconsequential. So, for anyone there is always hope.
The 30 yard rimfire shoot may seem much easier, but then it is not from a bench rest and scopes are not allowed - some of our eyes are so lousy that we can't score well with open or iron sights. I guess it all evens out. We try to put all emphasis on enjoyment and friendly competition - thus camaraderie. From experience, we know that you are an excellent shooter. For one, I feel certain that you will enjoy it. Hope this is responsive.
Appreciate the reply Paul. On another note, I have a NIB Oehler M35P that I just don't see myself using. If anyone attending the event is interested at $375 I will bring it along.
Ed - someone may be interested. Does yours include the printer, three Skyscreen III detectors, the four-foot rail and two folding stands, all in a hard case?
Ed - someone may be interested. Does yours include the printer, three Skyscreen III detectors, the four-foot rail and two folding stands, all in a hard case?
For new attendees, if you would like for me to review your travel route I can confirm the best way once you enter AZ, I just need to know what highway or freeway and direction of travel.
Some folks will be there earlier in the week, can those people confirm that here, I hope to go up thursday morning if work allows.
Kent, I hope to be in by Thursday afternoon - will bring Maddy and an RV trailer for the first time and need to get spotted before dark. Should we plan to bring some extra food for the pot due to early arrival?
Almost forgot this - it has been noted that we should try to have a hanging or posted lantern or two located where we gather for the evening. I don't own such a rig. Can anyone bring one - or two? Thanks. P
If I'm there thursday I will have food for thur night and friday morning. Also Butcher Hook has great food and a bar/store/gas station a few miles south of camp for those early arrivals.
Make a suggestion if anyone has anything they don't need and want to give it to another campfire member who might use it.. to bring it..
Right now cleaning up some stuff, I have a magazine for a Ruger American, 243 to 308 sized cartridges...
Before I gave my 223 Predator to Randy, having magazine issues, Ruger sent me a batch of magazines..
Somehow they thought my rifle was a 243 due to its serial number... so they ended up sending me 4 or 5 243 mags... I gave them away to other campfire members.. but this one here evidently was overlooked..
so whoever might use it, speak up... Cost is affordable... Obama "Welfare" Free....
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Anyone bringing a guitar ? Maybe a few campfire songs ?
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Almost forgot this - it has been noted that we should try to have a hanging or posted lantern or two located where we gather for the evening. I don't own such a rig. Can anyone bring one - or two? Thanks. P
I have a pair of orange stobe lights that can be pushed up in the air on a pole. Can see them from a long way out when it's dark outside.
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
The orange strobes would help folks find camp in the dark.
I am hoping to arrive Wednesday afternoon; Thursday afternoon at the latest.
As far as shooting at ranges past 150 yards, our present location, shooting towards the hill, doesn't have an easy, clear lane to 200 yards, or an easy way to get out there past the fence and the gully.
The Texas Rangers have a tradition of showing up at outdoor social affairs wearing their "BBQ Guns". These are not their duty handguns, but something a bit fancier, or unique, or just interesting; maybe real old, or so new others haven't seen one yet. And normally carried in a fancier leather holster. Sort of a "Show & Tell" kind of thing. "Look what I brought. What did you bring?"
I suggest members attending consider bringing a BBQ gun. Not trying to one-up each other, but just for fun and for sharing, and more stuff to talk about 'round the campfire.
A guitar sounds like fun, too. I am sure somebody in the group has some musical talent. Unfortunately, it isn't me. We will hear some coyotes singing, regardless.
Nifty-250
"If you don't know where you're going, you may wind up somewhere else". Yogi Berra
I heard that there is going to be a black powder shoot, sort of a 21 gun type of salute to our friends.
I don't have any black powder guns yet, but I do have a bit of scrap lead I get from a local metal recycle yard. It was mostly pipes and some sheet lead I have melted, fluxed, and pour into ingots or bricks.
As of now, Looks like my attendance is about 95% sure that I will be there!!! I plan on leaving in the wee morning hours Tuesday. I will bring flintlock of proper bore diameter and possibly an 1895 of the proper flavor, with assorted accoutrements. As well as the rest of my meagre but humble camp. All required is enough ground for my 9'x9' canvas wedge tent.
I will get there, when I get there, barring any border crossing conflicts etc.
Bob dit Kaywoodie
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Bob, Cheryl found this old wine rack to put some of our cast iron on and then came up with this idea to make a display wall. So I built it yesterday afternoon.
Damn!!! Thats freakin' awesome!!!!!! Well done. Gotta go out to the shop and start attending to stuff for the trip!!!
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
I still plan on being there Monday evening, or Tuesday before 12noon.
Jeff
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
I'll be there on Tuesday. I'll need to leave either Thursday afternoon, or Friday morning to head down to the valley for a short visit. My eldest granddaughter Evelyn has been begging to go camping. So, I'll be picking her up and have my "little buddy" with me as a shadow. I may need to bring up my "chicken dog" too. Very gun shy. I'll need to chain him up to a tree, or the truck. Very friendly. Just hates loud noises. But, I can't leave him at home anymore.
Originally Posted by nifty-two-fifty
The orange strobes would help folks find camp in the dark.
A guitar sounds like fun, too. I am sure somebody in the group has some musical talent. Unfortunately, it isn't me. We will hear some coyotes singing, regardless.
I'm working on getting a couple of pieces of top rail. Should be able to put the lights up 20', maybe 30' into the air. As far as singing goes, it's more like caterwauling from what I recall.
Well ? any musicians amongst us that would care to play ? Guitar ? Banjo ? Ukulele ?
Here's a camp favorite from a few years ago.
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
I am considering driving my wife's Audi Q5 (crossover) rather than my Tundra. I do not recall the road condition where we meet. Any issues getting her car in there?
I am considering driving my wife's Audi Q5 (crossover) rather than my Tundra. I do not recall the road condition where we meet. Any issues getting her car in there?
Ed,
I've driven my Pilot in there with no issues... and one member has been in there with his older Cadillac...
I wouldn't envision an Audi Q 5 being anything to worry about...
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"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Guys (and your gals) - Maddy and I are very much looking forward to the Tonto weekend with you all. Owl has expressed interest in campfire song singing but no others have commented and has not happened at any previous events. If there is true interest by many, we can work toward that - sans guitar, unless one of you is a picker with box.
As suggested by Seafire, I will be bringing some things to give away (shooting related) and maybe some not so related.
I have been taking opportunities to sell quite a few of my rifles at local gun shows and still have some to sell. As one of those who has resisted making these gatherings a marketplace (remember those moments?), I will not bring any to display for sale. But, am willing to bring a specific firearm for you to check out if you truly are interested in it at the price noted. If interested in knowing, just send me a PM.
How did I miss that rifle pic!!! Great rifle Dennis!!!!! Congrats
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Almost forgot this - it has been noted that we should try to have a hanging or posted lantern or two located where we gather for the evening. I don't own such a rig. Can anyone bring one - or two? Thanks. P
I have a pair of orange stobe lights that can be pushed up in the air on a pole. Can see them from a long way out when it's dark outside.
Arrgghhh !!!!!!!!!!
I'm looking everywhere, but I cannot seem to the the strobes. I may have let someone borrow them, never to be returned. Checking with one of my neighbors. Crossing my fingers that I locate them
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
I am hoping to have a new BBQ rifle to bring this time. Got it put together today. May have to get a new trigger guard but otherwise, seems OK.
I stocked it in extra fancy Claro redwood!
I told my wife it was my Valentine's day present from her. She went with it- not.
Lol... Extra fancy McSwirly
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Hey Dennis - - - "Claro Redwood" you say? What is that - do they sell it at Home Depot? Maddy's greenhouse is built with redwood, but it's sure not claro.
Is that her own rifle Karen is holding? Wow - she looks a lot younger than you.
As far as music goes, I'll throw in my French Harp, aka harmonica. Jews harp don't work no more. Moustache too long.
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
Talking Stuff from like about 1990 on... and instead of titles, just ones I picked up having articles I was interested in... pre internet days stuff...
lots of articles by people with famous reputations which are no longer with us..
like probably stuff from Ken Howell, and other writers as such are in there...
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
As far as music goes, I'll throw in my French Harp, aka harmonica. Jews harp don't work no more. Moustache too long.
I've a dull knife if it needs a trim
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
Well if you bring it, I am sure someone can figure out how to break the rest of it and then whoever at home can do a total rebuild on it from the ground up...
heck, someone may be even able to figure how to repair the carriage wheels there in Arizona..
maybe we can put some 31x 10.50s on it...
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
John, they use this in their re-enacting - and so are a bit particular. Daughter, SIL, and grandkids were supposed to be re-enacting down at Socorro, but SIL came down with pneumonia. That may keep them at home.
The state actually pays them to attend re-enactments as part of their respective jobs We'll just have to see how well recovery goes.
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Kent, my maps are OLD!!! I'm thinking it'll be quicker on I40 than 60. Your thoughts? How are the roads from Holbrook to Payson - would we be better off going another way?
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Kent, my maps are OLD!!! I'm thinking it'll be quicker on I40 than 60. Your thoughts? How are the roads from Holbrook to Payson - would we be better off going another way?
definately I40 to Holbrook, Holbrook to Heber, Heber to Payson, Payson to 188 Roosevelt lake turn off, to Punkin center.
John, they use this in their re-enacting - and so are a bit particular. Daughter, SIL, and grandkids were supposed to be re-enacting down at Socorro, but SIL came down with pneumonia. That may keep them at home.
The state actually pays them to attend re-enactments as part of their respective jobs We'll just have to see how well recovery goes.
Damn Mark! Hope he gets over that! He was always one of my favorite Germans to shoot at when he came to our Texas events! LOL. Give him my best!
All I gotta do is load the truck and get some beer and ice. Going to try to leave about midnight tonight. Or there abouts.
My .62 flint Jäger is packed for the firing detail! It's kinda like a cannon.
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
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