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Re: rapid barrel cooling shrapnel #12395020 11/13/17
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,533 Wyoming W wyoming260 Campfire Regular
wyoming260 Campfire Regular W Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,533 Wyoming	Originally Posted by shrapnel We try the same thing with a bow. A good day will net about 3 prairie dogs... Net of 3 is good with a bow........ 50 percent is what I aim for with the .22 if it is breezy!!!!!

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Re: rapid barrel cooling emery #12395128 11/13/17
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 10,424 The Treasure State Dave_Skinner Campfire Outfitter
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Re: rapid barrel cooling keith #12395420 11/13/17
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 21,944 H HawkI Campfire Ranger
HawkI Campfire Ranger H Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 21,944	Originally Posted by keith We have cooled with water down the bore since 1987 using 788's, 700's, Sako's all chrome moly, and the finest SS barrels made. We had access to private p. dog towns, the shooting was simply beyond imagination with 650-1200 rounds of center fire being fired per person per day. Any attempt to air cool a barrel by rotating in 90* heat is a pipe dream. What will work slowly is a mixture of 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol rubbed on the barrel, let the fluid drip off the bottom of the barrel. Cooling with water is NOT messy at all! What really works and works well is running water down the bore. You will need a good rod guide that seals off the chamber, and cleaning rod, a jag that will fit the bore tight with the patch, Swab of the size to dry chamber, and an oil can attachment that is about $3 from Wal Mart or a parts store. Water will NOT warp the barrel as the change in temp is not fast enough. Also, when you use 4 tight fitting patches to "clean" the barrel, you get the water OUT, and also remove a lot of carbon in the process allowing you to shoot longer strings. ***Few think of this issue, gases that are thousands of degrees proceed the bullet in the bore, and any tiny amount of water is evaporated. IN this rifle caddy, the rear is higher than the front, tipping the muzzle down. My hunting partner also had a rifle caddy, We dumped out a box of 50 rounds and fired as fast as we could acquire targets. Some rifles were fired 50 times some were fired up to 300, depending on the caliber, barrels and stocks got hot. Procedure we used I like Neil Jones and Lucas bore guides, they seal off the back of the chamber. The bore guide in the picture is a Sinclair. Insert bore guide in the chamber insert hose in the back of the bore guide let water gravity feed down the bore, it will take about 6 oz of water...that is all pull Oil can adapter off the bore guide when finished running water down the bore Run 4 dry patched down the bore Dry the chamber-I use a 45 caliber brush and shot gun patch with lighter fluid on it insert bolt, go back to shooting Takes 3 Minutes A rotation system does not work, you have a lot of down time. We even tried it with 10 guns each with my hunting partner and I. Load development at the rifle range is very quick when you can cool the barrel this way. We would push a very light oil patch down the bore when the barrel had been cleaned that night. I never have seen rust in the bore scope. Good luck Id have to, again, just have iron on tap. Shrapnel would quarantine any such contraptions......

Re: rapid barrel cooling emery #12395977 11/13/17
Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 12,153 Mississippi C Crow hunter Campfire Outfitter
Crow hunter Campfire Outfitter C Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 12,153 Mississippi	I crank the truck and turn the A/C on full blast then stand the rifle up in the passenger seat with the bolt open & butt on the floorboard, they cool off pretty quickly that way. The last PD shoot I went on I took five rifles, two of them being 22-250's. I also had a 20 practical, 223, and a 6mmBR but the 22-250's got 90% of the use. The others are fun, but the -250's are just "More Fun" to me, they just hit with an authority that the others lack. I have muzzle brakes on them so I can spot the hits, I doubt they'd be as satisfying without the brakes. Barrels are a wear item though, barrel makers have gotta eat too.

Re: rapid barrel cooling emery #12396173 11/14/17
Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,196 K keith Campfire Tracker
keith Campfire Tracker K Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,196	Hawk I, what are you talking about?

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Re: rapid barrel cooling emery #12396833 11/14/17
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 28,365 Idaho, USA Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger
Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 28,365 Idaho, USA	I usually have a small cooler with ice cubes in it to keep some drinking water and a few sodas cold. I'll rub one of the ice cubes up and down the barrel with the rifle upended and muzzle down so the water drips off and doesn't get down into the barrel channel. Wipe off any water with my hand and any small droplets of moisture left evaporate quickly. Of course if the barrel is glowing red and flames are shooting up out of the barrel channel I might modify that technique a tad... Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!

Re: rapid barrel cooling HawkI #12397006 11/14/17
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,657 Oklahoma City S Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker
Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker S Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,657 Oklahoma City	Originally Posted by HawkI Originally Posted by keith We have cooled with water down the bore since 1987 using 788's, 700's, Sako's all chrome moly, and the finest SS barrels made. We had access to private p. dog towns, the shooting was simply beyond imagination with 650-1200 rounds of center fire being fired per person per day. Any attempt to air cool a barrel by rotating in 90* heat is a pipe dream. What will work slowly is a mixture of 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol rubbed on the barrel, let the fluid drip off the bottom of the barrel. Cooling with water is NOT messy at all! What really works and works well is running water down the bore. You will need a good rod guide that seals off the chamber, and cleaning rod, a jag that will fit the bore tight with the patch, Swab of the size to dry chamber, and an oil can attachment that is about $3 from Wal Mart or a parts store. Water will NOT warp the barrel as the change in temp is not fast enough. Also, when you use 4 tight fitting patches to "clean" the barrel, you get the water OUT, and also remove a lot of carbon in the process allowing you to shoot longer strings. ***Few think of this issue, gases that are thousands of degrees proceed the bullet in the bore, and any tiny amount of water is evaporated. IN this rifle caddy, the rear is higher than the front, tipping the muzzle down. My hunting partner also had a rifle caddy, We dumped out a box of 50 rounds and fired as fast as we could acquire targets. Some rifles were fired 50 times some were fired up to 300, depending on the caliber, barrels and stocks got hot. Procedure we used I like Neil Jones and Lucas bore guides, they seal off the back of the chamber. The bore guide in the picture is a Sinclair. Insert bore guide in the chamber insert hose in the back of the bore guide let water gravity feed down the bore, it will take about 6 oz of water...that is all pull Oil can adapter off the bore guide when finished running water down the bore Run 4 dry patched down the bore Dry the chamber-I use a 45 caliber brush and shot gun patch with lighter fluid on it insert bolt, go back to shooting Takes 3 Minutes A rotation system does not work, you have a lot of down time. We even tried it with 10 guns each with my hunting partner and I. Load development at the rifle range is very quick when you can cool the barrel this way. We would push a very light oil patch down the bore when the barrel had been cleaned that night. I never have seen rust in the bore scope. Good luck Id have to, again, just have iron on tap. Shrapnel would quarantine any such contraptions...... Shrap sells Coke, that bottle would get you tossed off the ranch I bet. 'Four legs good, two legs baaaad." ---------------------------------------------- "Jimmy, some of it's magic, Some of it's tragic, But I had a good life all the way." (Jimmy Buffett) SotG

Re: rapid barrel cooling Son_of_the_Gael #12397305 11/14/17
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT shrapnel Campfire Ranger
shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael Originally Posted by HawkI Originally Posted by keith We have cooled with water down the bore since 1987 using 788's, 700's, Sako's all chrome moly, and the finest SS barrels made. We had access to private p. dog towns, the shooting was simply beyond imagination with 650-1200 rounds of center fire being fired per person per day. Any attempt to air cool a barrel by rotating in 90* heat is a pipe dream. What will work slowly is a mixture of 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol rubbed on the barrel, let the fluid drip off the bottom of the barrel. Cooling with water is NOT messy at all! What really works and works well is running water down the bore. You will need a good rod guide that seals off the chamber, and cleaning rod, a jag that will fit the bore tight with the patch, Swab of the size to dry chamber, and an oil can attachment that is about $3 from Wal Mart or a parts store. Water will NOT warp the barrel as the change in temp is not fast enough. Also, when you use 4 tight fitting patches to "clean" the barrel, you get the water OUT, and also remove a lot of carbon in the process allowing you to shoot longer strings. ***Few think of this issue, gases that are thousands of degrees proceed the bullet in the bore, and any tiny amount of water is evaporated. IN this rifle caddy, the rear is higher than the front, tipping the muzzle down. My hunting partner also had a rifle caddy, We dumped out a box of 50 rounds and fired as fast as we could acquire targets. Some rifles were fired 50 times some were fired up to 300, depending on the caliber, barrels and stocks got hot. Procedure we used I like Neil Jones and Lucas bore guides, they seal off the back of the chamber. The bore guide in the picture is a Sinclair. Insert bore guide in the chamber insert hose in the back of the bore guide let water gravity feed down the bore, it will take about 6 oz of water...that is all pull Oil can adapter off the bore guide when finished running water down the bore Run 4 dry patched down the bore Dry the chamber-I use a 45 caliber brush and shot gun patch with lighter fluid on it insert bolt, go back to shooting Takes 3 Minutes A rotation system does not work, you have a lot of down time. We even tried it with 10 guns each with my hunting partner and I. Load development at the rifle range is very quick when you can cool the barrel this way. We would push a very light oil patch down the bore when the barrel had been cleaned that night. I never have seen rust in the bore scope. Good luck Id have to, again, just have iron on tap. Shrapnel would quarantine any such contraptions...... Shrap sells Coke, that bottle would get you tossed off the ranch I bet. Not only that, but anyone with that much stuff wouldn't be allowed on the invitational. We go to shoot not give enemas...

Re: rapid barrel cooling shrapnel #12397328 11/14/17
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana
kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou...	Talk about anal... Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: rapid barrel cooling keith #12397616 11/14/17
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 21,944 H HawkI Campfire Ranger
HawkI Campfire Ranger H Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 21,944	Originally Posted by keith Hawk I, what are you talking about? More guns, no barrel cooling gear. More guns are okay. Catching guns on fire is okay. Anything else had better cook steaks or shrimp, do the dishes or dig holes to [bleep] in. We do not require a bidet, nor do our guns. Clarke brings two bags of flour; I dont ask questions and I dont sleep in his tent.

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Re: rapid barrel cooling Son_of_the_Gael #12397621 11/14/17
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 21,944 H HawkI Campfire Ranger
HawkI Campfire Ranger H Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 21,944	Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael Originally Posted by HawkI Originally Posted by keith We have cooled with water down the bore since 1987 using 788's, 700's, Sako's all chrome moly, and the finest SS barrels made. We had access to private p. dog towns, the shooting was simply beyond imagination with 650-1200 rounds of center fire being fired per person per day. Any attempt to air cool a barrel by rotating in 90* heat is a pipe dream. What will work slowly is a mixture of 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol rubbed on the barrel, let the fluid drip off the bottom of the barrel. Cooling with water is NOT messy at all! What really works and works well is running water down the bore. You will need a good rod guide that seals off the chamber, and cleaning rod, a jag that will fit the bore tight with the patch, Swab of the size to dry chamber, and an oil can attachment that is about $3 from Wal Mart or a parts store. Water will NOT warp the barrel as the change in temp is not fast enough. Also, when you use 4 tight fitting patches to "clean" the barrel, you get the water OUT, and also remove a lot of carbon in the process allowing you to shoot longer strings. ***Few think of this issue, gases that are thousands of degrees proceed the bullet in the bore, and any tiny amount of water is evaporated. IN this rifle caddy, the rear is higher than the front, tipping the muzzle down. My hunting partner also had a rifle caddy, We dumped out a box of 50 rounds and fired as fast as we could acquire targets. Some rifles were fired 50 times some were fired up to 300, depending on the caliber, barrels and stocks got hot. Procedure we used I like Neil Jones and Lucas bore guides, they seal off the back of the chamber. The bore guide in the picture is a Sinclair. Insert bore guide in the chamber insert hose in the back of the bore guide let water gravity feed down the bore, it will take about 6 oz of water...that is all pull Oil can adapter off the bore guide when finished running water down the bore Run 4 dry patched down the bore Dry the chamber-I use a 45 caliber brush and shot gun patch with lighter fluid on it insert bolt, go back to shooting Takes 3 Minutes A rotation system does not work, you have a lot of down time. We even tried it with 10 guns each with my hunting partner and I. Load development at the rifle range is very quick when you can cool the barrel this way. We would push a very light oil patch down the bore when the barrel had been cleaned that night. I never have seen rust in the bore scope. Good luck Id have to, again, just have iron on tap. Shrapnel would quarantine any such contraptions...... Shrap sells Coke, that bottle would get you tossed off the ranch I bet. Bottles are inanimate objects. Ask deflave.

Re: rapid barrel cooling HawkI #12398567 11/15/17
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,657 Oklahoma City S Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker
Son_of_the_Gael Campfire Tracker S Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,657 Oklahoma City	Originally Posted by HawkI Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael Originally Posted by HawkI Originally Posted by keith We have cooled with water down the bore since 1987 using 788's, 700's, Sako's all chrome moly, and the finest SS barrels made. We had access to private p. dog towns, the shooting was simply beyond imagination with 650-1200 rounds of center fire being fired per person per day. Any attempt to air cool a barrel by rotating in 90* heat is a pipe dream. What will work slowly is a mixture of 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol rubbed on the barrel, let the fluid drip off the bottom of the barrel. Cooling with water is NOT messy at all! What really works and works well is running water down the bore. You will need a good rod guide that seals off the chamber, and cleaning rod, a jag that will fit the bore tight with the patch, Swab of the size to dry chamber, and an oil can attachment that is about $3 from Wal Mart or a parts store. Water will NOT warp the barrel as the change in temp is not fast enough. Also, when you use 4 tight fitting patches to "clean" the barrel, you get the water OUT, and also remove a lot of carbon in the process allowing you to shoot longer strings. ***Few think of this issue, gases that are thousands of degrees proceed the bullet in the bore, and any tiny amount of water is evaporated. IN this rifle caddy, the rear is higher than the front, tipping the muzzle down. My hunting partner also had a rifle caddy, We dumped out a box of 50 rounds and fired as fast as we could acquire targets. Some rifles were fired 50 times some were fired up to 300, depending on the caliber, barrels and stocks got hot. Procedure we used I like Neil Jones and Lucas bore guides, they seal off the back of the chamber. The bore guide in the picture is a Sinclair. Insert bore guide in the chamber insert hose in the back of the bore guide let water gravity feed down the bore, it will take about 6 oz of water...that is all pull Oil can adapter off the bore guide when finished running water down the bore Run 4 dry patched down the bore Dry the chamber-I use a 45 caliber brush and shot gun patch with lighter fluid on it insert bolt, go back to shooting Takes 3 Minutes A rotation system does not work, you have a lot of down time. We even tried it with 10 guns each with my hunting partner and I. Load development at the rifle range is very quick when you can cool the barrel this way. We would push a very light oil patch down the bore when the barrel had been cleaned that night. I never have seen rust in the bore scope. Good luck Id have to, again, just have iron on tap. Shrapnel would quarantine any such contraptions...... Shrap sells Coke, that bottle would get you tossed off the ranch I bet. Bottles are inanimate objects. Ask deflave. Symbolism, lad, symbolism. 'Four legs good, two legs baaaad." ---------------------------------------------- "Jimmy, some of it's magic, Some of it's tragic, But I had a good life all the way." (Jimmy Buffett) SotG

Re: rapid barrel cooling emery #12398584 11/15/17
Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,196 K keith Campfire Tracker
keith Campfire Tracker K Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,196	Thanks for your patience and explanation!

Re: rapid barrel cooling HawkI #12399225 11/15/17
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT shrapnel Campfire Ranger
shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by HawkI Originally Posted by keith Hawk I, what are you talking about? More guns, no barrel cooling gear. More guns are okay. Catching guns on fire is okay. Anything else had better cook steaks or shrimp, do the dishes or dig holes to [bleep] in. We do not require a bidet, nor do our guns. Clarke brings two bags of flour; I dont ask questions and I dont sleep in his tent. This is what prairie dog shooting is about. Cooling equipment is not a consideration...

Re: rapid barrel cooling emery #12399605 11/15/17
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,611 ms N navlav8r Campfire Ranger
navlav8r Campfire Ranger N Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 15,611 ms	Shrapnel, any Vienna sausages and crackers involved? NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.

Re: rapid barrel cooling navlav8r #12400239 11/15/17
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT shrapnel Campfire Ranger
shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by navlav8r Shrapnel, any Vienna sausages and crackers involved? Piclkled eggs and Spam

Re: rapid barrel cooling shrapnel #12400581 11/16/17
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by shrapnel Originally Posted by navlav8r Shrapnel, any Vienna sausages and crackers involved? Piclkled eggs and Spam And THAT is the reason I have declined offers to meet up and go shooting with you.... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: rapid barrel cooling ingwe #12400739 11/16/17
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT shrapnel Campfire Ranger
shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,472 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by shrapnel Originally Posted by navlav8r Shrapnel, any Vienna sausages and crackers involved? Piclkled eggs and Spam And THAT is the reason I have declined offers to meet up and go shooting with you.... It has almost caused me not to go...

Re: rapid barrel cooling shrapnel #12401481 11/16/17
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle
ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Originally Posted by shrapnel Originally Posted by ingwe Originally Posted by shrapnel Originally Posted by navlav8r Shrapnel, any Vienna sausages and crackers involved? Piclkled eggs and Spam And THAT is the reason I have declined offers to meet up and go shooting with you.... It has almost caused me not to go... I can understand that perfectly.... but 'almost' is the operative word there... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

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