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I've never seen a lung hit deer get back up after the 1st fall. Fact is, deer run. High shoulder shots and CNS generally limit the number of runs.
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I've never seen a lung hit deer get back up after the 1st fall. Fact is, deer run. High shoulder shots and CNS generally limit the number of runs. Amen to that.
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I live land hunt in Mississippi. Over the last decade or so, Mississippi has changed primitive weapon seasons to accept modern single shot rifles chambered .35 cal and above. My current rifle is a TC pro hunter with a MGM 35 Remington barrel. I picked the 35 Remington so my kids could shoot it without much recoil. After killing a few deer with it, I'm a little disappointed with the results. Initially I was satisfied, and I know dead is dead, but I'm curious if a couple hundred feet per second more generated with a 358 Winchester might produce quicker kills. With classic behind the should shots using Remington and Hornady factory ammo, the deer are covering a good bit of ground before expiring and some have had to have a second shot. I'm about to give up on the Hornady Leverevolution ammo because the bullets pencil through with little damage. I read the 25/06 - 257 Weatherby debates all the time and I don't feel this is the same comparison because its a different level of velocity. So, my question is, at what velocity do kills become "quicker"? And for the guys that have hunting with both, does the 358 Winchester have a noticable advantage? You would have the .35 Remington shooters at "Marlinowners.com" scratching their heads regarding the most two popular .35 rem bullet's not giving you DRT or very short runs and flop. The soft tip of the FTX bullets collapses pretty quickly starting the bullet deformation. I have shot deer with FTX bullets 800 fps below max velocity ( 2400- 1640) from a slug gun with DRT results almost every time.
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200 grain corelokts and don't look back
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Different caliber, but I loaded some 125 BT's in 300 Savage (starting load with IMR4895) for my daughter (13yo, first year hunting). The rifle has a 18" Barrel, and I doubt the load is pushing 2300fps. Shooting up hill, slightly quartering away and she hit a doe that reared up and dropped DRT. Perfect shot on her part, and due to the uphill angle, may have shocked her CNS as the bullet ended up high in the front of the cavity just below the neck. I think if you find the right bullet and get a good hit, you will do fine - they may run, they may not. I would avoid any X bullet though, as they need lots of velocity to open.
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i always felt the 200 gr remington round nose soft point performed better on game than the leverereverevolution rounds in my 35 rem. ^ This
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200 grain corelokts and don't look back ^ Yup
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Just to pile on. +1 to the Remington 200gr corelokt. Killed a bunch of deer with that bullet and never had one go more than a few feet.
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Agree with weagle, the 200 grain Core-Lokt is THE deer bullet in the .35 Remington.
Double lunged many a deer with .350 Rem Mag & .358 Win. They generally all perform the death sprint.
Speed doesn't always guarantee instant death on heart/lung shots. Couple weeks back I shot a buck at 90 feet (double lunged) with a 6mm Creedmoor 103 gr ELD-X. Was afraid of blowing the front half of the deer away so I decided to keep the bullet away from the shoulder. Bullet didn't exit with no blood trail for 20-30 yards. A 35 Rem or .358 Win would have been perfect for the situation.
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I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. Sierra Game King from my .35 Whelen, he ran 30-40yds. pumping blood out both sides. I have hit deer just below the spine for bang-flops both times, once with a 12ga. Forster slug and the most recent with a 240gr. jacketed bullet from a .44 Magnum. My .35 Whelen is a pre'64 M/70 that I had rebored, always wanted to rebore a .308 M/70 FWT to .358 maybe one day.
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Good friend who hunts a lot more than me and most other guys I know shoots his 35 Rem with corlocks. He piles up the game with that thing. Tx Hogs. White tails by the truck load.
Now he can't use it on many hunts though........... cause his daughter killed a monster white tail with it and she wants it on all her hunts.
Marlin with a 3x9. Works for them.
That is a huge bullet when guys are killing deer with a 223, and the slow old 30-30 has piled them up for a century.
Agree with others. If you don't like a run put it through one or both shoulders.
Enjoy your kids and the hunt. They grow up fast.
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I know they're big sellers but to me the Leverevolution line is trying to fix what wasn't broken. And since they've come out I've used all the rounds they chamber for but I've passed on them. I like flat points in levers. If I want to reach out there are other guns (read bolt action) for that. My levers are for the woods.
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Shot placement matters. With WT deer bullet speed and construction are way down the list of important factors for quick, drt, kills. In 53 years of deer hunting I can only recall one deer that dropped on the spot without a big bone or cns hit, and I have shot more than a few deer.
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I do not think you have a caliber problem. You have an ammunition problem.
Go to the 200 grain CoreLokt ammo and place your shot correctly. Your problem
will go away.
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"Behind the shoulder" takes in a lot of territory, some that can result in quick kills, some that might not. I prefer to hit them low and tight behind the shoulder, about in line with the back of the front leg. That will either punch the heart or disconnect it whlie also trashing the lungs. Never had a deer hit like that go farther than maybe forty yards, and they are literally dead on their feet. Most fall within twenty or thirty feet, and they don't get up. A couple of times the heart has actually rolled free from the other viscera when I opened the chest. A deer shot high only through the lungs, can go quite a ways because the heart's still pumping and some of the lungs might still be functioning. Slow bullets don't fragment and throw bits of stuff about like high-velocity ones do so shot placement is a bit more critical, I think.
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Thanks for the all the input and good luck hunting this season.
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I have two 35 Remington's - a 141 Remington and a 336 Marlin. I have a 358 Win in a Remington 700 carbine. I like each and shoot cast bullets in each for the fun of it.
I only use RN bullets in the 35 Remington, they all seem to work well - more experience with the Remington CL's though and that's my first choice. Components for the 35 are not always easy to find... Stock up when you find them.
Hornady LR seems to me like "WHY??".
If I were hunting elk, my choice for cartridges (of the two) would be the 358 Win and I think that it would be a great cartridge for that especially in the thick woods.
The only reason I would pick the 358 over the 35 on deer would be shooting at 150+ yards and then I'd probably choose any cartridge such as 257 Roberts through an 06 then, but a 358 would be good too.
On the other hand 358 brass is easier to fashion than the 35 Remington brass, (components again)
I prefer classic.
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those 200 gr core lokt are unobtanium for handloading.
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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...-diameter-180-grain-flat-nose-box-of-100This bullet has been in use for quite some time and is a good performer in the 35 Remington. It is also a lighter weight so recoil level might be a smidge better for your kids to use. The folks I know who also use 35 Remington for primitive weapons in Mississippi (I live in Mississippi as well) like this bullet. I don’t use it now but have used it in a 10” Contender before and was pleased with accuracy and performance.
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