You have an amazing website and huge resource of information. I have read a lot of threads on 6.5 bullet options and I am hoping for some people to chime in with some first hand experience.
I hunt the thick timber and smaller clear cuts in SE British Columbia...Mountainous and tough hunting. This season I picked up a 6.5x55 and sold my 300wm as I have quickly noticed that an shots at elk will likely be under 200yds, and most likely under 100yrd.
With Elk season over, I need to get a round ready for next year. From research it seems like these are good options: - 160gr lapua naturalis - 155gr lapua mega - 140gr partition - 130gr barnes ttsx
I have never reloaded but my hunting buddy will be helping me. I have fired of nosler accubonds, so I'll have norma brass to reload with.
I guess my biggest question is in regards to velocities and effective expansion with the above bullets.
My hope is to have any of the above bullets moving at ~2700 ft/s mv. Based on those speeds, it would seem that the naturalis and ttsx will give me the ability to shoot through shoulders if required...? Lapua mega seems to be well liked, and the Partition has a big following.
Also: we have a minimum 6pt rule up here so I'll be targeting big boys.
In short: what bullet should I be using to take down 6pt bull elk from within 200yds out from my tikka t3 6.5x55. Should I be focused on penetration? or rapid expansion and damage?
So I guess an argument would be that the smaller 6.5 bullet that would rapidly expand on a broadside shot would limit your shot options as a shoulder shot on a bull elk might not allow for the penetration required ... ?
This is my confusion. I hear the ttsx 130gr would be usable on a bull elk but I haven't seen to many actual accounts of this. Most cases are assumptions that it'll be fine based on experiences on smaller game.
I guess what I want is a bullet that gives me a few more options than just a broadside shot. A bullet that will penetrate, but not shatter and lead to wounding rather than a quick kill. And a bullet that does its job when the velocity is between 1800 to 2500ft/s when impacting the elk.
Sounds like the woodleigh is effective in that range but I have concerns about its structure on large game (based on what I've read). I have concerns that the barnes might not expand well enough at those velocities. The Partition sounds like it continues to be a good option, and the Lapua packs the extra weight that is of interest to me.
I guess I like the idea of the barnes due to increase velocity but I have expansion concerns. The 140gr partition has been effectively used for quite some time but I have wright concerns.... And I desire something like the lapua mega due to the heavier weight but I have concerns about construction or lack the 'forum research confirmation' that it will hold up against a elk ... it also does not have the greatest ballistics.
TOO MANY OPTIONS!!!
Thanks again for passing on your first hand experiences.
If you are limiting your shots to 200 max, then: 1) Unless you're shooting in fairly strong winds the bullets ballistic coefficient (B.C.) doesn't mean jack. You have a basketball sized vitals area as an aiming point and you are not exactly at long range here. 2) While the swede may not be a speed demon, any reasonable load should be well above 1,800 fps at 200 yards.
I have hunted elk with a 6.5x55 and took a factory loaded 140 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. I got a shot, but missed. So my total real world experience here is zero. There are members here, however, who have successfully hunted and taken elk with a 6.5x55 shooting standard cup & core bullets (140 grain Hornady Interlock Soft Points, for instance). I think any of the bullets you listed will work (my pick would be the Barnes 120g TTSX for the extra speed and possibly more reliable expansion over the 130g TSX). Pick one, get the load dialed in, and find an elk to poke it in. Have a sharp knife handy.
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Barnes doesn't make a 130 gr TTSX, but they do make a 120 grainer.
I'd go with the 120 TTSX or 140 NPT, whichever shot better.
But they do make a 127gr LRX. Their version of a long-range TTSX. And of those three choices (120gr / 127gr X and 140gr NPT), I don't think you can go wrong.
Im using Norma MRP 51grn. and rem 9 1/2 primers with Lapua brass. 3.150oal in the same set up as you. Tikka T3X 6.5x55. its pushing Moly'd 140 partitions and AB/ABLR at 2920fps
The 120 TTSX at 3000 fps is deadly on Newfoundland bull Moose. Don't know about elk.
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So at this point, I'm thinking I should get some mega's and partitions and see how they should. I know the factory accubonds were/are extremely accurate for me right away. 3 shot group within an inch of each other at 100yds. Now I need to bump up velocity with a tougher bullet and get that same accuracy.
Im using Norma MRP 51grn. and rem 9 1/2 primers with Lapua brass. 3.150oal in the same set up as you. Tikka T3X 6.5x55. its pushing Moly'd 140 partitions and AB/ABLR at 2920fps
thank you for the load data. Always interested seeing this info from a person with the same rifle.
Half inch, 155 Mega over 46.5 H-4831 (surplus powder I bought in the ‘60’s) at around 2,500 FPS. I understand this old powder may be a tad slower than current production H-4831. It smells like new powder, no dust. It performs very well.
I shot quarter and 1/3 MOA groups with 139 Scenar over 47.2 MRP at around 2,650 FPS. 45 gr RL-17 was almost as accurate, still sub MOA, and faster at 2,749.
Those two bullets are the champs in this gun. It’s more finicky than my Shilen 6.5 Creedmoor. But does very well when fed what it likes.
The CM shoots a larger variety of combos sub MOA. The Swede shoots everything under 1.5”, but to a Loony, that’s not Kosher.
The CM likes the new 147 ELD-M, haven’t tried it in the Swede. I hear good reports on terminal performance with that bullet at Swede/Creed speed.
I have a Tikka T-3 Hunter and it shoots everything I have tried thus far well. A friend gave me a ancient box of 140 grain Speer flat base spitzers and they shot great. That was my first handload for this rifle.
Next I tried140 grain match bullets shoot, which shot even better. 129 Hornadys shoot into one hole. Somewhere I have a box of 120 grain TSXs which I bought for a Remington Model Seven in 260 which I sold. I bet they shoot, too.
Regarding you "dilemma", I go along with the 140 grain crowd. The 6.5s made their reputation as reliable killers using long and heavy for diameter bullets. That starts around 140 grains. I also have 160 grain Hornadys and 155 grain Lapuas which I haven't tried yet.
A friend swears by the 160 grain Hornady in his Winchester Model 70 Featherweight 6.5x55. He likes the quick kills he has gotten with minimal meat damage and a good blood trail.
The Scandanavians have been killing moose (their elk) for 100 years with the 6.5x55 and they're happy with it. You should be too.
Saw my niece drop a big cow moose at approximately 100 yards with the 120 TSX , quartering on shot.
Punched through bone, took out the top of the heart , broke 2 ribs on the off side. Dropped faster than any moose I’ve seen. Would not hesitate to use it . Or a good 140 grain , including Hornady
Thanks everyone. I'm thinking the partition and mega will be the experiment. The hornady round nose was mentioned but I'd likely just buy it in the factory.
Now for the evolution of the thread.... WHAT Powder...
I've seen 4831sc, 4350, and the mrp/rl mentioned quite frequently. While I have the eyeballs of experienced users, what is the recommended powder to push both bullets. In this thread I have seen some loads...curious to know if both bullets of different weights can be pushed effectively with the same powder or if different powders are recommended.
I'm running the 142 gr Nosler LR Accubond in my Swede and in my 264 WM. In the Swede ( a Model 70 w/ a Pac-nor 22" barrel) I'm using 45.5 g IMR4350 for 2810 fps. Groups are .3-.33 5 shots.
The 142 LRAB is a bit 'softer' than the accubond, opening down to lower speeds. I've only ever recovered one and that one was from the 264 and had traveled through 5' or so of an elk. I did use the 142 to take a medium sized axis with drt results.
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The Hornady 160 RN is a fine bullet and shoots remarkably in a sporterized 96 I have with 7.8 twist. The 155 has brought down lots of moose in Finland, Sweden, Norway, etc. I have some 160 Woodleighs (another no BS top notch bullet) but have not loaded them yet. If you want to go with the heavier bullets, give them a try. The Hornady RN 160's can be difficult to find sometimes - PM me if you need some help finding some.
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I bought two boxes of Hornady 160s when MidwayUSA had them. I also bought a box or two of the Megas. Haven't shot any of them yet as the 140s and 129s shoot so well.
Because you'll likely not be shooting beyond 200yds you need not worry about which bullet is the most accurate just pick a tried and trued one. And, in my not so humble opinion that would be the 140gr Nos. Partition because I don't like surprises. If it could be cold during your hunt, pick a powder that's temperature insensitive such as H4831. One last suggestion, because you'll be hunting thick stuff shoot to break the animal down if you can. Good Luck!
Agreed Actually the 140 Partition is quite accurate in my Wife's (2) 6.5 rifles, a Swedish Mauser 6.5x55 and a Ruger Predator Creed, both easily under 1" and both have driven a 140 through an Elk's shoulder, I see no need to use another bullet.
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