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Barnes way of getting me to buy more bullets...........
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Barnes way of getting me to buy more bullets........... They good at that. DF
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Was able to test some 127 LRX with the 6.5 PRC, 22" bbl.
Used Reloder 23, ADG Brass and BR2 primers.
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ES and SD were horrible. New bbl and new brass possibly?
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Was able to test some 127 LRX with the 6.5 PRC, 22" bbl.
Used Reloder 23, ADG Brass and BR2 primers.
53.5
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Groups were just about 1/2" avg 3030fps for both loads.
ES and SD were horrible. New bbl and new brass possibly?
I like low SD's, too. But, 1/2" groups at 3K fps, critters will never know... DF
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What does ES and SD mean?
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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What does ES and SD mean? Extreme spread, difference in velocities, can calculate standard deviation. Less spread is better, although tight groups can happen with more spread than one would like. DF
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Interesting.
Kinda makes one wonder why.
DF We have been shooting them all summer trying to tighten them up and have been unsuccessful, not a huge deal as they shoot well enough for hunting, but getting them to shoot as tight as the ttsx hasn't worked for us at this point! Yeah, they good enough, but Loonies are hardly ever satisfied with good enough, even when it is good enough! Ha! DF WORD !! 
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Loaded a few 127 LRX bullets up while testing other bullets in the 6.5 Creedmoor. Using Lapua cases and 41.0gr H4350, velocity was recorded at 2,790 with a SD of 14. A 3 shot group measured 1.65" at 400yds. I was very surprised to see that kind of accuracy.
42gr of RE17 yielded 2,920 ft/sec with an SD of 6. Groups ran about 2.4" @ 400yds.
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Loaded a few 127 LRX bullets up while testing other bullets in the 6.5 Creedmoor. Using Lapua cases and 41.0gr H4350, velocity was recorded at 2,790 with a SD of 14. A 3 shot group measured 1.65" at 400yds. I was very surprised to see that kind of accuracy.
42gr of RE17 yielded 2,920 ft/sec with an SD of 6. Groups ran about 2.4" @ 400yds. Well, that’s good enough, for sure. Reportedly terminal performance at those speeds is pretty good. DF
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Extreme Spread and Standard Deviation...Velocity
On another note, I'm unable to post photos of the groups. 97kb only...
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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Just an update. I didn't get much time to test, but loaded up a few rounds to check my zero. Accidently kicked the rifle over. wanted to check POI. It did change 1st cold bore shot was slightly 1" left. next shots were dead on. Groups were about 0.5"-0.75".
22" PVA pre-fit (Collared Barloc, NOT the Barrel nut version)
Reloder 23
ADG 1XF
BR2 Primers
127 LRX
~2.310" BTO
~2.900" COAL
SAAMI Spec chamber.
54.25gr:
Stats - Average 3108.72
Stats - Highest 3117.78
Stats - Lowest 3100.18
Stats - Ext. Spread 17.6
Stats - Std. Dev 8.81
Shot ID V0
1 3118
2 3100
3 3108
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Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers?
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Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers? I didn't really consider RL26 because it's not that temperature stable. It is advertised as somewhat temp. stable, but not as stable as RL23. For hunting purposes, i didn't want a powder that may change velocity. RL26 will be fine if the temperature is under ~85*F-90*F. With RL26 you can probably get ~3200-3300fps with a 22" bbl. that might be on the high stiff load side.
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Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers? I didn't really consider RL26 because it's not that temperature stable. It is advertised as somewhat temp. stable, but not as stable as RL23. For hunting purposes, i didn't want a powder that may change velocity. RL26 will be fine if the temperature is under ~85*F-90*F. With RL26 you can probably get ~3200-3300fps with a 22" bbl. that might be on the high stiff load side. 3200-3300 fps ?? That would be faster than a 6.5X284 or .264 maggie with 127 LRX's using standard powers.. Edit: Ah, maybe you are talking about your 6.5 PCR and not the Creed?
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Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers? I didn't really consider RL26 because it's not that temperature stable. It is advertised as somewhat temp. stable, but not as stable as RL23. For hunting purposes, i didn't want a powder that may change velocity. RL26 will be fine if the temperature is under ~85*F-90*F. With RL26 you can probably get ~3200-3300fps with a 22" bbl. that might be on the high stiff load side. 3200-3300 fps ?? That would be faster than a 6.5X284 or .264 maggie with 127 LRX's using standard powers.. Edit: Ah, maybe you are talking about your 6.5 PCR and not the Creed? My thought, too. Those are pretty hot for a Creed.
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Yes, i apologize, i meant for the 6.5 PRC.
I'm curious, how come some folks are using slow magnum powders for the Creedmoor? only powder available for you guys?
with my 22" factory REmington 700, i couldn't get H4350 and 127 LRX to play. every now and then i get a group <1", but majority of the time it was closer to 1.5-2.5"
I switched to RL16 and got much better groups. Also had to change primers to BR2. That got me to ~2830fps.
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Berger shows a 6.5 Creed load for their 135 Classic hunter and RL 26 at 45 grains for 2657 fps to 49.8 for 2977 fps. Hence my interest.
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Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers? In the 6.5x55, 25-06, 280AI the magnum primers did better. In the 243 standard were better. Now I start my load work up with magnum primers as it is safer to drop back to a standard primer than the other way around. Completely agree on the +85 degree temperature sensitivity. Not a problem most of the time but you need to be aware that a hot barrel will have the same affect. Use the Berger data as a velocity ceiling and you should be fine. If you don't have R26 already, it is hard to get, and due to the stability question I would go to R23 or R16. These are not that far behind velocity wise and they perform better in hot weather.
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.050 off almost always produces a good group for starters! 0.010” off the lands has always produced 1/2 MOA groups for me. Never had to adjust seating depth from that.
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