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Anybody have on-game experience with this bullet in either 6.5 Creedmoor or .260 Rem? What kind of velocities are you getting in 22” and 24” barrels?

Looking for a bullet for combo deer and elk hunting at 200-600 yards.

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Not sure of velocities.

I loaded some for 6.5 creedmoor last season.
Used it on a pig. Worked well.


Now Barnes has factory ammo loaded with the 127 lrx.


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A really moderate load in my 6.5x284 has the 127 LRXs zipping along at 2925 out of my Cooper. I haven't found one yet. All have been complete pass throughs at ranges from 140-350 yards.

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Originally Posted by MTsmith
A really moderate load in my 6.5x284 has the 127 LRXs zipping along at 2925 out of my Cooper. I haven't found one yet. All have been complete pass throughs at ranges from 140-350 yards.

Just the info I needed. I think I’ll order up a box and see if I can get ‘em to shoot.

If so, my combo deer/elk load will be found.


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My local Sportsman's had a couple of boxes of 127's on the shelf-thought about trying them out in my Swede?


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Originally Posted by 340boy
My local Sportsman's had a couple of boxes of 127's on the shelf-thought about trying them out in my Swede?

Do it! If you are OK with pushing your Swede a little bit, you probably could get near 2800 with that pill. It’d be a wicked, slayin’ sumbich, I bet.


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Originally Posted by seattlesetters
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My local Sportsman's had a couple of boxes of 127's on the shelf-thought about trying them out in my Swede?

Do it! If you are OK with pushing your Swede a little bit, you probably could get near 2800 with that pill. It’d be a wicked, slayin’ sumbich, I bet.

My current Swede is a new Howa. Got no trouble with leaning on her a bit...


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Originally Posted by MTsmith
A really moderate load in my 6.5x284 has the 127 LRXs zipping along at 2925 out of my Cooper. I haven't found one yet. All have been complete pass throughs at ranges from 140-350 yards.


What powder?


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Originally Posted by MTsmith
A really moderate load in my 6.5x284 has the 127 LRXs zipping along at 2925 out of my Cooper. I haven't found one yet. All have been complete pass throughs at ranges from 140-350 yards.

Any signs that you’re getting decent expansion?


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I use the 129’s in my Creedmoor’s. The kill deer and hogs well.

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If you are dead set on a mono, I'd run the 120 Etip over the LRX...

Better BC and better performance than any TSX or TTSX offering IME...


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Originally Posted by GregW
If you are dead set on a mono, I'd run the 120 Etip over the LRX...

Better BC and better performance than any TSX or TTSX offering IME...

I’ve heard there is much less copper fouling with the E-Tip and GMX than with the Barnes bullets. I do like the extra 7 grains, though I admit it probably doesn’t make much difference.

I’ll probably try out the 140gr Accubond and 142gr Accubond LR as well as the 143gr ELD-X. Any other good bullets for combo elk/deer?


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Originally Posted by 340boy
My local Sportsman's had a couple of boxes of 127's on the shelf-thought about trying them out in my Swede?


The LRX is the most accurate mono I've tried to date for my CZ-550 Swede..Killed my muley a few weeks ago with it loaded to 2860 fps, it broke both shoulders at 310 yds and proceeded on..As far as fouling haven't noticed anymore vs other bullets and I shoot a lot..


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A sample of one, but dropped a big bull in its tracks with a 127LRX to the chest.


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Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem
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My local Sportsman's had a couple of boxes of 127's on the shelf-thought about trying them out in my Swede?


The LRX is the most accurate mono I've tried to date for my CZ-550 Swede..Killed my muley a few weeks ago with it loaded to 2860 fps, it broke both shoulders at 310 yds and proceeded on..As far as fouling haven't noticed anymore vs other bullets and I shoot a lot..


Sound impressive. I had better go score the box of that from the local store before somebody else does. laugh

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I have a couple of 6.5x284 both shoot great, but I might just build a 26 nosler ?


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We have worked up loads in the 6.5x47L, 6.5 Creed, and the 6.5x55 with the 127. It is one of the easiest bullets to tune that we have worked with. Kills good on the shorter range shots we have.

As far as fouling, they are no different than Nosler, sierra's, Hornady in terms of copper fouling

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Bought a box of the 127gr LRX today based on all the positives here. I really hope to get a good load for my 6.5 Creedmoor, as I think this bullet could do everything I need for deer, elk and pronghorn. Maybe I'll even get a custom turret made for the scope if all works out. :-)


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Great to see all the positive feedback for the LRX. I'm really looking forward to trying that bullet in my 6.5 x 55. 😎


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Originally Posted by pete53
I have a couple of 6.5x284 both shoot great, but I might just build a 26 nosler ?

I’ve built both; I like both. The Nos is faster, burns a lot more powder. Long range hunting favors the faster round, less wind drift, more KE to the target. FWIW, JB reported that he sold his .264 WM after testing the 26; he bought the test gun. Some would take issue, but I put the 26 ahead of the .264, having worked with both.

My current hunting is WT’s and hogs locally, 300 yds is a long shot. This PM I’m on a ladder stand with my 7-08, 120 gr Nosler Factory BT’s. They shoot sub inch and will do until I have time to W/U loads. 6.5CM and Swede also currently being used. Haven’t shot the 26 or the 6.5-284 this year.

I always encourage any fellow Loony to build/buy a new gun. Just depends on the task at hand and the Loony mood.

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I just picked up a box and will be working up a load for my 6.5-284. I'm using R-22 under 139 Scenars now. Any advice on a choice of powder for the LRX's?


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Originally Posted by GregW
If you are dead set on a mono, I'd run the 120 Etip over the LRX...

Better BC and better performance than any TSX or TTSX offering IME...

My 26 Nosler shoots the 120 TTSX and E-Tip half MOA at 400 yds. Won’t shoot 127’s that tight.

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Originally Posted by GregW
If you are dead set on a mono, I'd run the 120 Etip over the LRX...

Better BC and better performance than any TSX or TTSX offering IME...


Have you used the 120s? If so, how was accuracy and what powders work well?

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Shot some of the first ETips to come out in my Borden 300 WM they were the most inaccurate bullet I have ever shot out of that rifle, haven't tried them in any other rifle due to my bad luck!

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Jump can make a difference. They like to jump.

When they don’t shoot, increase the jump.

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First 5 years I had my light 6.5x47, I used the 127 LRX @ 2800 fps. 3x4 mulie buck at 500 and 4 elk between 250 and 450. All one shot kills. I like the bullet so much i'm building a custom 6.5x57BR around that bullet with a 24" Hart #3 fluted. Barrel action is being delivered in 2 days. Then, off it goes to Charlie Santoni to be bedded in an Echol's Shrike stock, painted and metal cerakoted by Charlie.

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Originally Posted by hanco
I use the 129’s in my Creedmoor’s. The kill deer and hogs well.

John,

Not trying to nitpick, but do you mean the 127 LRX or the 129 ABLR?

I figured you just pushed the wrong key... smile

If it's the ABLR, let us know. I couldn't get that bullet to shoot as tight as the LRX, 120 TTSX best of that lot in the Nos, haven't tried them in the Creed, Swede or 6.5-284.

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Will a 9 twist run the 127LRX?

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Will a 9 twist run the 127LRX?


I'm running a 8.75" ,and they are shooting good!

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That's good to know, as I'm stuck with the 9-twist Remington 260.

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
That's good to know, as I'm stuck with the 9-twist Remington 260.

You aren’t “stuck” with it. It just happens to be what you choose to own right now. ;-)

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The LRX versions were why I ordered an 8 twist on my new Krieger 260 and 280 AI barrels.

Heck I even went with a 7.7” twist in the 223

All set

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i have used doubletap ammo lrx 127s 0n antelope and out to 600 yds at the range, like them alot. i am not reloading. using a sauer with a 1-8.66 twist

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6.5 Swede. 127 LRX under 48 grains of 4831sc.

Bullet entered behind right eye and exited the same place on the off side. Golf ball size hole. Not sure I’d recommend the lrx for head shots specifically, but you take the shot you have.

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Has anyone revised the BC for longer ranges or does the factory BC seem reasonable?

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Took this bull with my Savage 260 Rem Using Barnes 120gr TSX at 3004 FPS. One shot with a complete pass thru . This bullet has been putting elk down for me every season . Started with the Barnes 6.5 120gr "X" when it first came out. Now the TSX. Has never failed me. [Linked Image]

Some years back this young lady borrowed my wife's 6.5x308 wild cat ( now the 260 Rem ). One shot with the Barnes original 6.5 120gr X. Complete pass thru. So many hunters seem so surprised at how well this bullet works with the 260 Rem.

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Originally Posted by anie
i have used doubletap ammo lrx 127s 0n antelope and out to 600 yds at the range, like them alot. i am not reloading. using a sauer with a 1-8.66 twist


I also have a 6.5x55 barrel with the 1:8.66 twist. When I talked to the technical experts at Barnes they told me the 127 could have stability issues in certain cases, so I avoided it. Based on your experience, I will give them a try. I do use them in my 1:8 6.5-300 Weatherby.


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I use the 127lrx in my 6.5x47 at just shy of 2900. Great bullet!

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Bryan Litz lists a G1 BC of .501, G7 .237.

Barnes lists .468 G1.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
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Bryan Litz lists a G1 BC of .501, G7 .237.

Barnes lists .468 G1.


Wow, most of the time the bullet makers rate too high.


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Originally Posted by anie
i have used doubletap ammo lrx 127s 0n antelope and out to 600 yds at the range, like them alot. i am not reloading. using a sauer with a 1-8.66 twist

Which Cartridge?


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Nomosendero2,

Actually, a lot of recent bullet-company BC's are pretty good. Many weren't for years because of several reasons, most recently because most companies measured velocity at the muzzle and 100 yards, then figured BC. But BC tends to be higher at faster velocities, so those BC's weren't accurate at longer ranges.

Barnes measures BC's with velocities at the muzzle and 300 yards, so they tend to be pretty good--at least over "normal" ranges.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
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Bryan Litz lists a G1 BC of .501, G7 .237.

Barnes lists .468 G1.


Actually, Litz's website has the G1 at 0.446 and the G7 at 0.228.


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I use .500 at 2870 out of the .260.... I’ve run them out to 1/2 mile and they hold pretty well at that number. They also shoot to exactly the same POI and almost the same dope as the 123 Amax/ELD our to that range. This fall it’s the Amax for steel/rocks/vermin.... LRX for punching tags.

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Gasman,

I got my numbers from the third (2017) edition of Bryan's book BALLISTIC PERFORMANCE OF RIFLE BULLETS.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
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Bryan Litz lists a G1 BC of .501, G7 .237.

Barnes lists .468 G1.




Thanks. I had seen the .446 too, but I think the source was prior to 2017. I’ll take .501!

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Well, there are actually several numbers, because BC varies with velocity. Litz's book breaks them down into velocity categories.

I quoted the highest numbers in the book, for velocities over 3000 fps, which for overall use are optimistic. Gasman quoted the BC's for the BC's for velocities from 3000 down to 1500 fps, which for hunting use are probably a little too low, since many bullets won't open consistently at 1500. The LRX bullets are designed to expand at lower impact velocities than TTSX's, but 1500 would still be marginal.

For hunting purposes I average the listed BC's from 3000+ to 2000 fps, or 3000-2000, depending on the cartridge. For 3000+ down to 2000, the 127's average BC's are .476 (G1) and .232 (G7). For 3000 to 2000, they're .470 and .230.


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That bc looks great to me, for all normal ranges that big game is usually shot at.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Gasman,

I got my numbers from the third (2017) edition of Bryan's book BALLISTIC PERFORMANCE OF RIFLE BULLETS.


Interesting - I have that edition of his book, too, but I got the BC numbers from his online ballistic program.

I really wish that Litz would add the BC figures for the new Federal Trophy Bonded Tip and Edge TLR bullets. I think they show real promise as all-around hunting bullets.


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Originally Posted by Gasman
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I really wish that Litz would add the BC figures for the new Federal Trophy Bonded Tip and Edge TLR bullets. I think they show real promise as all-around hunting bullets.


If they would just get around to some .264 offerings!

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Spoke with Federal a few days ago they have a 6.5 offering in the works for the TLR it will be a 136 grain..

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The 127 barnes long range bullet was very easy to tune in 3 rifles, very accurate bullet, jump them .030-.050.

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Originally Posted by keith
The 127 barnes long range bullet was very easy to tune in 3 rifles, very accurate bullet, jump them .030-.050.


In one of my rifle the jump was .120" and another was .180". Make sure you make big jumps to start with. Like -.010, -.040, -.080. -.120.
Then you can narrow it down from there.


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Originally Posted by Aviator
Spoke with Federal a few days ago they have a 6.5 offering in the works for the TLR it will be a 136 grain..


That’s promising. When I asked they suggested nothing ready this year in 6.5. Maybe Spring?

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6.5-300 Wby., 127 LRX at 3500 FPS, 130 yards. First shot in the frontal chest at a hard quartering too. Bullet exited toward the last rib on the off side for close to 3’ of penetration. I gave him another straight up the butt that didn’t exit. Killed him fast. I’m very happy with it at hyper bat crap velocity.

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Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem
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My local Sportsman's had a couple of boxes of 127's on the shelf-thought about trying them out in my Swede?


The LRX is the most accurate mono I've tried to date for my CZ-550 Swede..Killed my muley a few weeks ago with it loaded to 2860 fps, it broke both shoulders at 310 yds and proceeded on..As far as fouling haven't noticed anymore vs other bullets and I shoot a lot..


Would you mind sharing your load? I have a new tikka 6.5 Swede and would like to try this bullet.
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Nice. Glad to hear how well the 127 LRX did in your 6.5-300 Wby.

I tried it in my 26 Nosler. It did well, but 120 TTSX and 120 E-Tips shot better groups at 400 yds.

You drilled that bruin.

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Tried a 120 E-tip out of my tikka Swede. Not good at all. Will seat them deeper and try again. Up to 51 grains RL26 but didn’t get the chrono set up.


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Have been using the Barnes 6.5 120gr X since it came out. Some where around 1990. The early X bullet did leave more copper fouling than other jacketed bullets. This all changed with the TSX. The heat treating & copper alloy used today have come a long way since these bullets started. A lot of the criticism I see today comes from problems that existed years ago & keeps getting passed on. Me & mine have fired thousands of these bullets over the years. with no problem of excessive fouling or proper expansion. I prefer the Barnes because of the extra relief cuts around the bullet. Seems to reduce friction & gives a space for displace copper to move to. Can't comment on the 127 LRX as have never used it. Have used the TSX 120 in my 6.5x308 wild cat, 260 Rem, 6.5x55. & 264 mag. This has been our elk bullet. Velocities have been from 3004 to 3450fps. They have all successfully taken elk with complete pass thru every time even thru heavy bone... Could not begin to remember how many elk we have taken & observed taken with this bullet. I do have a friend who uses the Hornady 120GMX with the same results. I don't see a big difference between the 120 TSX & the 127 LRX. I believe your results would be indistinguishable between the two. I have my own range on my land & shoot regularly out to 500yds. The big thing with the mono's is deep seating required for best accuracy. Always start at .050 off the lands & go from there. My 6.5's seem to prefer about .060 to .065 off the lands. Every rifle can be different. The mono's do not like rifles with worn throats.Which ever mono you select you will get penetration well beyond lead core bullets. That includes bonded & NP. We have used them all.

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I seat the 127 LRX's with a light kiss on my 6.5 CM, sub MOA at 500 yards. They don't always want a jump. Start 'em at a light kiss or a max mag length like any other bullet and work seating depth in from there.

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I am interested in using the 127 LRX in my .260, also. I currently have a load with the 129 Nosler Accubond LR at 2,850 fps that is incredibly accurate in my little Savage Lightweight Hunter.

I was wondering if the 127 LRX will take loads in the same ballpark as the Nosler and result in similar velocities? I read an article by Mule Deer in which he suggested that it did in one 6.5mm rifle that he worked with-- and it makes sense that these bullets would take similar loads.

I know that the only way to answer this for sure is by working up a load, but I'm curious to see if anyone has experiences in this area. It seems to me that these two bullets together would make an excellent combination for the .260, with the softer Accubond LR being reserved for deer and smaller game and the Barnes being used for everything else, and for closer shots.

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I am interested in using the 127 LRX in my .260, also. I currently have a load with the 129 Nosler Accubond LR at 2,850 fps that is incredibly accurate in my little Savage Lightweight Hunter.

I was wondering if the 127 LRX will take loads in the same ballpark as the Nosler and result in similar velocities? I read an article by Mule Deer in which he suggested that it did in one 6.5mm rifle that he worked with-- and it makes sense that these bullets would take similar loads.

I know that the only way to answer this for sure is by working up a load, but I'm curious to see if anyone has experiences in this area. It seems to me that these two bullets together would make an excellent combination for the .260, with the softer Accubond LR being reserved for deer and smaller game and the Barnes being used for everything else, and for closer shots.


I'm pushing 127 LRX's to 2950fps w/ 43.8grns RL17 in mt 23" 6.5 Creedmoor (Thanks Derrik)! It shoots to POI as my 123 Scenar and 125 partition load. Never tried 129 LRAB's, but I would think there's a good chance it will be close for you.

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5 out of 6 rifles seem to like the TTSX's and LRX's seated .040 or deeper my hunting partners and I have yet to get them to shoot when seated closer than .040 and that is with multiple rifles, so I quit wasting my my time and componets in my rifles and aways start deeper, finding a good load is far less frustrating going deeper!

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Three plus years back I spent some time on the phone with Dave Kiff at PTG, designing a new cartridge where I take a Lapua 8x57 case, neck it down to 6.5mm and blow the shoulder out to 30 deg. Dave dubbed it the 6.5x57 BR; saying it had never been done. Necking the 257 Roberts up or 7x57 case down has been done all the time, but not the 8x57 with it's longer body. It took 3 yrs to get the rifle done but that's another story. The rifle was delivered back in August. I started with a simple pressure ladder since load data in non existent. I went through about 1/2 dozen powders before settling on Rel 26. At .030" off the lands (tested 5, 30, 55 and 80 off), I was getting 3100 fps with the 127 LRX. I waited too long and missed getting a Utah general season bull tag so had to settle for a spike tag. My best friend and I had planned on hunting the general season together since he'd had recent knee replacement surgery so we had to hunt the spike season in a totally different area. Their was one hill he said almost always had elk on it at first light with no way to get a close shot right off the bat. They were there to include a spike. Two other hunters happened along as I was setting up, so they got to watch. Ron was on my 15-45x Zeiss spotter while I got set. He called 1-2 mph wind from our 6. The Leica 10x42 HD-B said I needed to dial 15.7 moa for the 12 deg uphill, 810 yd shot. Prone on bipod with a large rear bag, I placed the Velocity 600's main crosshair behind the bulls shoulder and started the 2-stage Huber trigger set to 12 oz, on its way. The shot broke and 1.007 seconds later the bull simply folded up it's rear legs and went straight down. It was quite another sight to see him roll towards us since it was a very steep hill. The 2 witnesses were totally flabbergasted. Now, I'm starting load development for the 142 gr Nosler ABLR.


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GSSP very well done. You must really like esoterica in cartridge development. I am envious but perfectly happy with the 6.5 x 55 that I have. If I go through some late late middle age crisis I might AI it and it would be close to your 6.5-8x57mm improved which is a good place to be. Near 6.5x284 ballistics with slightly maybe very slightly improved barrel life.


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120g. GMX does the job. Head-on shot at Montana Mule Deer. Lodged in his backstrap. Bang-Flop - Deer never took a step.

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120g. GMX does the job. Head-on shot at Montana Mule Deer. Lodged in his backstrap. Bang-Flop - Deer never took a step.

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Grand looks like some good results.......

Are they pretty forgiving in the accuracy department?

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Better accuracy than 127g LRX, nearly same BC and more forgiving in seating depth.

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Better accuracy than 127g LRX, nearly same BC and more forgiving in seating depth.

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Better accuracy than 127g LRX, nearly same BC and more forgiving in seating depth.


I'll have to give them a try...thanks

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I believe accuracy depends on the particular rifle. I shoot the Barnes in my 260Rem , 6.5x06 & 264 mag rifles with out standing accuracy Usually sub 1/2". . Have also shot the Hornady GMX with the same type of accuracy. They are both excellent bullets. Roll the dice. The Barnes does offer the 127gr LRX with a higher BC. If you check the drop tables in the Barnes manual you will find insignificant difference in drop between the any of them. The Barnes 127 LRX does give slightly less wind drift . Also insignificant. Having shot considerable amounts of Barnes & Hornady over the years I see no more copper left than when shooting a C&C bullet. They are all out standing bullets. Barnes does provide a larger selection.The 100gr Barnes TTSX will take the largest deer with ease. The 120 to 127 will do better for extreme range. Again pick which ever one makes you happy. No wrong choice here.

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Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
5 out of 6 rifles seem to like the TTSX's and LRX's seated .040 or deeper my hunting partners and I have yet to get them to shoot when seated closer than .040 and that is with multiple rifles, so I quit wasting my my time and componets in my rifles and aways start deeper, finding a good load is far less frustrating going deeper!


Same here. Every Barnes I've loaded has been with front of the first driving band at the case mouth.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
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5 out of 6 rifles seem to like the TTSX's and LRX's seated .040 or deeper my hunting partners and I have yet to get them to shoot when seated closer than .040 and that is with multiple rifles, so I quit wasting my my time and componets in my rifles and aways start deeper, finding a good load is far less frustrating going deeper!


Same here. Every Barnes I've loaded has been with front of the first driving band at the case mouth.

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I don't remember if I posted this before. My 6.5mm wildcat rifle got 1" groups at 100 when the 127 LRX was .120" from the lands.


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We killed a Pronghorn buck at 400 yards, a Mule Deer buck at 200yards, and a cow elk at 500 yards with the 127 LRX out of the 20” .260 this year. None of them took a single step after bullet impact, and all bullets exited.

We’ll keep shooting them for sure.


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First load I tried in my Montana 6.5 CM. 127 LRX with 43.5 gr RL16 at 2890. Other loads showed promise but this is the load I’m gonna play with seating depth on.

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Originally Posted by Grand
Better accuracy than 127g LRX, nearly same BC and more forgiving in seating depth.


I'll keep that in mind.

I just loaded some Barnes 127 LRX for my 6.5-PRC I might have a chance to shoot it tomorrow (12/19/18)

I have a few different powder charges and seating depths to tryout.
Powder is RL-26

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AlaskaCub, what make brass and primers are you using? Thanks Tom


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Like most things i get opposite results. I seated my barnes 168 .20 off lands with excellent accuracy. The further i seated them the worst the accuracy.....go figure? I cant wait to push some of those 127 in my m18 mauser!

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AlaskaCub, what make brass and primers are you using? Thanks Tom


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Originally Posted by 16bore
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5 out of 6 rifles seem to like the TTSX's and LRX's seated .040 or deeper my hunting partners and I have yet to get them to shoot when seated closer than .040 and that is with multiple rifles, so I quit wasting my my time and componets in my rifles and aways start deeper, finding a good load is far less frustrating going deeper!


Same here. Every Barnes I've loaded has been with front of the first driving band at the case mouth.


I read about seating at the first driving band on here it may have been on one of your post 16bore and it has been pretty effective.

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A really moderate load in my 6.5x284 has the 127 LRXs zipping along at 2925 out of my Cooper. I haven't found one yet. All have been complete pass throughs at ranges from 140-350 yards.

Just the info I needed. I think I’ll order up a box and see if I can get ‘em to shoot.

If so, my combo deer/elk load will be found.



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Used a 120 TS with Ramshot Hunter in a Rem. XP-100 to take wort hog , impala , spring bok , water buck , all one shot kills furthest was at 160 yards . That liitle gun just flat out shoots . I think I will try out the LRX and maybe try and take a elk if the hunting tag gods smile in 2019 .

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I was out testing some 142 ABLR's and decided to throw 3 of my 127 LRX loads onto paper from my 6.5x57 BR wildcat. Running 3140 fps, .316 moa.

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That looks to be MOA of an elk.


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We found the 127g LR to be easier to tune than the 120 Ttsx in three custom 6.5s of various calibers. Tiny groups.

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We found the 127g LR to be easier to tune than the 120 Ttsx in three custom 6.5s of various calibers. Tiny groups.

That's good news.


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Although a far down the road project, I'd like to one day put together a 6.5 Rem Mag. Are the 6.5 long range bullets quite long where there would be issues created by a Remington S/A mag box?

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Originally Posted by Hammerdown
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We found the 127g LR to be easier to tune than the 120 Ttsx in three custom 6.5s of various calibers. Tiny groups.

That's good news.

In my 26 Nosler, I got slightly tighter groups with 120 E-Tip and 120 TTSX than with the 127 LRX. All are sub MOA at 400 yds.. Have not tried the 120 GMX, although I have a box. The 129 ABLR wasn't as accurate, not MOA.

I would like to try the 127 LRX in my Creed, Swede and 6.5-284.

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Just got my 6.5 PRC and now waiting for dies! Looking to the 120 ttsx/tsx. Running 142 shot in my 6.5cm and it works but always looking for magic or something I guess. Mac

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I’ve been pretty impressed with the 127 LRX out of the 20” .260. They run about 2800 FPS, and have flattened everything they’ve hit thus far.... elk, deer, antelope, coyotes.... nothing has taken a step after bullet impact. They all exited, and there was obvious signs of good expansion. The only thing I’ve revovered is one petal, weighing about 15 grains... it was found in the exit wound on the antelope buck. The furthest shot was on a cow elk at 505 yards. Bullet entered at the last rib, and exited the neck just in front of the off side shoulder... traversing about 3’ of elk clockwork. I’ve never seen an elk go down faster than that one.

They shoot to the same POI as the 123 Amax in that gun, and the dope is pretty interchangeable out to 600 or so. We shoot the Amax/ELD at steel and prairie dogs and coyotes. Then shoot the LRX at big game animals, without having to change anything.


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Thanks Dogshooter. The 127 LRX Should be fine. There are some guys on Facebook who like them. Taking deer and elk out to 500 yards or so..


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Originally Posted by AlaskaCub
First load I tried in my Montana 6.5 CM. 127 LRX with 43.5 gr RL16 at 2890. Other loads showed promise but this is the load ......


My Tikka SS Lite (6.5 CM, 24.3" barrel) also hit an accuracy node with the 127 gr LRX at 43.5 gr of RL16. The last two (of 5 loaded) over a magnetospeed MV3 went 2,910 fps, using new Norma brasss and F210 primers.

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First load I tried in my Montana 6.5 CM. 127 LRX with 43.5 gr RL16 at 2890. Other loads showed promise but this is the load ......


My Tikka SS Lite (6.5 CM, 24.3" barrel) also hit an accuracy node with the 127 gr LRX at 43.5 gr of RL16. The last two (of 5 loaded) over a magnetospeed MV3 went 2,910 fps, using new Norma brasss and F210 primers.


That is super! Have you tried Reloder 17? It does real well with 130-class bullets in my .260. I have not tried it in my Creed. Too many options!


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Originally Posted by Dogshooter
We killed a Pronghorn buck at 400 yards, a Mule Deer buck at 200yards, and a cow elk at 500 yards with the 127 LRX out of the 20” .260 this year. None of them took a single step after bullet impact, and all bullets exited.

We’ll keep shooting them for sure.



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I'll keep that in mind.

I just loaded some Barnes 127 LRX for my 6.5-PRC I might have a chance to shoot it tomorrow (12/19/18)

I have a few different powder charges and seating depths to tryout.
Powder is RL-26

Time on the trigger will tell.



Just bought one in a Sauer Atacama.

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I just had a nice write up and in a flash it was gone.

Okay, Starting over.

I have a CA Ridgeline in 6.5 PRC 24' Bbl.
I have tested a few bullets.
Barnes 127 grain LRX
Berger VLD 140 grain Hunter
Hornady Factory 143 grain X

Hornady ammo shot okay, about an inch or a bit bigger at 100 yards. I have yet to try the Match Ammo.

With the Barnes and Berger bullets, I tried various powder charges, to save time I'll just list the better of the bunch.
Barnes 127 grain LRX 58 grains of RL-26 CCI-250 Hornady brass will give me 5/8 - 3/4 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards. I feel like I could work this one a bit to improve the groups. ?
Berger VLD Hunter 140 grain 56 grains of RL-26 CCI-250 Hornady brass Gave some nice groups, .411 and .400 - 5 shot groups at 100 yards
Berger VLD Hunter 140 grain 57.2 grains of RL-26 CCI-250 Hornady brass Gave some nice groups too. .322, .300 and .338 again, 5 shot groups at 100 yards.
I have yet to check the velocity of these loads. I might get it done this weekend.

I'm really pleased how the Berger bullets are shooting. I have never shot an animal with a Berger bullet, time will tell how they work. I hear they can make a mess of things.

I hope this helps.

** NOTE** These loads were safe in my gun and my gun only. Work up loads in your weapons.

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I got to reading the post on here so today I loaded up a batch of 120 TTSX 67.6 grains of Retumbo for my Sako 264 Win Mag. I shot a 3” 400 yard group with the Sako. This is the same load my Sendero loves. My Sendero will shoot a 400 yd group about half the Sako. In fairness to the Sako the Sendero has a 1.5 lb trigger and a bigger scope.

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We killed a Pronghorn buck at 400 yards, a Mule Deer buck at 200yards, and a cow elk at 500 yards with the 127 LRX out of the 20” .260 this year. None of them took a single step after bullet impact, and all bullets exited.

We’ll keep shooting them for sure.



Yup my 6.5 Bee loves them. 3530 fps with RL33. Many a speed goat gave up the ghost to this speed demon!


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Have had excellent accuracy with every rifle in which we've tried the MRX (obsolete but I still have some) and TTSX. We've taken antelope mule deer and elk with them and never recovered a bullet, whether broadside, angling or head-on.

No experience with the 130g 6.5 variety but 100g/.257" and 130g/.308", among others. I would have no problem using the 127g/6.5 bullet. out to where velocity is above 2000fps, same as the others.


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First load I tried in my Montana 6.5 CM. 127 LRX with 43.5 gr RL16 at 2890. Other loads showed promise but this is the load ......


My Tikka SS Lite (6.5 CM, 24.3" barrel) also hit an accuracy node with the 127 gr LRX at 43.5 gr of RL16. The last two (of 5 loaded) over a magnetospeed MV3 went 2,910 fps, using new Norma brasss and F210 primers.


That's my load out of my Montana as well, 2,890 fps out of the 20" barrel. I've only killed one Antelope with it, but it grabbed dirt immediately.

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IN the creed and '47, we got the 127's to tune easier than the 120g ttsx, lots easier, seated both .050 off the lands. We did not get much of a blood trail with either.

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Mine have been shot through a 6.5-300 Weatherby. So my velocity was much higher at 3550fps. I have shot a three deer with the 127 grain LRX. They were all under 100 yards, prolly no more the 60ish yards. One was only around 30-40 yards if I remember right but I shot it in the throat. Other than the neck shot deer the other two still went 30-50 yards after being shot. I had pretty decent amount of blood on the ground but didn’t matter cause I saw them all fall.

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First load I tried in my Montana 6.5 CM. 127 LRX with 43.5 gr RL16 at 2890. Other loads showed promise but this is the load ......


My Tikka SS Lite (6.5 CM, 24.3" barrel) also hit an accuracy node with the 127 gr LRX at 43.5 gr of RL16. The last two (of 5 loaded) over a magnetospeed MV3 went 2,910 fps, using new Norma brasss and F210 primers.


That's my load out of my Montana as well, 2,890 fps out of the 20" barrel. I've only killed one Antelope with it, but it grabbed dirt immediately.



Have a couple 6.5 CM's, 8lbs of RL 16 and 500 127LRX's...Looking for some ideas as to seating depth.


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Anyone running H4350 with the 127 in the Creed?


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Originally Posted by Mac284338
Just got my 6.5 PRC and now waiting for dies! Looking to the 120 ttsx/tsx. Running 142 shot in my 6.5cm and it works but always looking for magic or something I guess. Mac


I too am a 6.5 PRC owner. Shooting the ELD-X now but looking to switch to Mono's. What have you found to shoot good? I have my PRC in a Christiansen Mesa. Whats yours?

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Sauer 100 classic as I intend for hunting and will be carrying more than shooting. No monos yet, still working on getting the 142's to shoot but will try the 120ttsx first if I can't do better with 142's. Getting a bit more than 1" so far and changed to a different powder...try that and then will see.

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Has anyone tried Reloder 23 with 127 LRX 6.5PRC?
I'm gonna load some for this weekend to try out. Starting at 52-53gr. BR2 primers with ADG Brass.

For a 22" bbl

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Following. Still breaking in my barrel. Bergara HMR in 6.5PRC.

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Originally Posted by Dogshooter
I’ve been pretty impressed with the 127 LRX out of the 20” .260. They run about 2800 FPS, and have flattened everything they’ve hit thus far.... elk, deer, antelope, coyotes.... nothing has taken a step after bullet impact. They all exited, and there was obvious signs of good expansion. The only thing I’ve revovered is one petal, weighing about 15 grains... it was found in the exit wound on the antelope buck. The furthest shot was on a cow elk at 505 yards. Bullet entered at the last rib, and exited the neck just in front of the off side shoulder... traversing about 3’ of elk clockwork. I’ve never seen an elk go down faster than that one.

They shoot to the same POI as the 123 Amax in that gun, and the dope is pretty interchangeable out to 600 or so. We shoot the Amax/ELD at steel and prairie dogs and coyotes. Then shoot the LRX at big game animals, without having to change anything.


Good info. Thanks for posting that. Planning to build another 6.5 (PRC) in a sporter weight for hunting. (My 6.5-06AI is too heavy to carry far as it was purpose built as a target rifle.)


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Originally Posted by aeaston517
Originally Posted by Mac284338
Just got my 6.5 PRC and now waiting for dies! Looking to the 120 ttsx/tsx. Running 142 shot in my 6.5cm and it works but always looking for magic or something I guess. Mac


I too am a 6.5 PRC owner. Shooting the ELD-X now but looking to switch to Mono's. What have you found to shoot good? I have my PRC in a Christiansen Mesa. Whats yours?

My 26 Nosler shoots 120 TTSX and 120 E-Tips sub MOA, a few groups, half MOA. It won’t shoot 127 LRX quite as well, still pretty good. At 3,450 fps, those 120’s are pretty devastating on critters. I don’t need an easier opening bullet in that setting .

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
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Originally Posted by Mac284338
Just got my 6.5 PRC and now waiting for dies! Looking to the 120 ttsx/tsx. Running 142 shot in my 6.5cm and it works but always looking for magic or something I guess. Mac


I too am a 6.5 PRC owner. Shooting the ELD-X now but looking to switch to Mono's. What have you found to shoot good? I have my PRC in a Christiansen Mesa. Whats yours?

My 26 Nosler shoots 120 TTSX and 120 E-Tips sub MOA, a few groups, half MOA. It won’t shoot 127 LRX quite as well, still pretty good. At 3,450 fps, those 120’s are pretty devastating on critters. I don’t need an easier opening bullet in that setting .

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DF, myself and a couple hunting partners have seen a similar pattern with 4 different rifles that just don't shoot the LRX's as tight as the TTSX's, they'll shoot the ttsx into ragged clusters but the lrx's seem to average 3/4- 1" these are all custom built rifles that are pretty accurate, and we've tried multiple powders and seating depths!

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Interesting.

Kinda makes one wonder why.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Interesting.

Kinda makes one wonder why.

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We have been shooting them all summer trying to tighten them up and have been unsuccessful, not a huge deal as they shoot well enough for hunting, but getting them to shoot as tight as the ttsx hasn't worked for us at this point!

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Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Interesting.

Kinda makes one wonder why.

DF


We have been shooting them all summer trying to tighten them up and have been unsuccessful, not a huge deal as they shoot well enough for hunting, but getting them to shoot as tight as the ttsx hasn't worked for us at this point!

Yeah, they good enough, but Loonies are hardly ever satisfied with good enough, even when it is good enough!

Ha!

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Barnes way of getting me to buy more bullets...........

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Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
Barnes way of getting me to buy more bullets...........

They good at that.

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Was able to test some 127 LRX with the 6.5 PRC, 22" bbl.
Used Reloder 23, ADG Brass and BR2 primers.

53.5
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54.0

Groups were just about 1/2" avg 3030fps for both loads.

ES and SD were horrible. New bbl and new brass possibly?

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Originally Posted by DDRH65PRC
Was able to test some 127 LRX with the 6.5 PRC, 22" bbl.
Used Reloder 23, ADG Brass and BR2 primers.

53.5
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54.0

Groups were just about 1/2" avg 3030fps for both loads.

ES and SD were horrible. New bbl and new brass possibly?


I like low SD's, too.

But, 1/2" groups at 3K fps, critters will never know...

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What does ES and SD mean?


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What does ES and SD mean?

Extreme spread, difference in velocities, can calculate standard deviation.

Less spread is better, although tight groups can happen with more spread than one would like.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Interesting.

Kinda makes one wonder why.

DF


We have been shooting them all summer trying to tighten them up and have been unsuccessful, not a huge deal as they shoot well enough for hunting, but getting them to shoot as tight as the ttsx hasn't worked for us at this point!

Yeah, they good enough, but Loonies are hardly ever satisfied with good enough, even when it is good enough!

Ha!

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Loaded a few 127 LRX bullets up while testing other bullets in the 6.5 Creedmoor. Using Lapua cases and 41.0gr H4350, velocity was recorded at 2,790 with a SD of 14. A 3 shot group measured 1.65" at 400yds. I was very surprised to see that kind of accuracy.

42gr of RE17 yielded 2,920 ft/sec with an SD of 6. Groups ran about 2.4" @ 400yds.

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Originally Posted by Charlie-NY
Loaded a few 127 LRX bullets up while testing other bullets in the 6.5 Creedmoor. Using Lapua cases and 41.0gr H4350, velocity was recorded at 2,790 with a SD of 14. A 3 shot group measured 1.65" at 400yds. I was very surprised to see that kind of accuracy.

42gr of RE17 yielded 2,920 ft/sec with an SD of 6. Groups ran about 2.4" @ 400yds.

Well, that’s good enough, for sure.

Reportedly terminal performance at those speeds is pretty good.

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Extreme Spread and Standard Deviation...Velocity

On another note, I'm unable to post photos of the groups. 97kb only...

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Just an update. I didn't get much time to test, but loaded up a few rounds to check my zero. Accidently kicked the rifle over. wanted to check POI. It did change 1st cold bore shot was slightly 1" left. next shots were dead on. Groups were about 0.5"-0.75".

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Stats - Average 3108.72
Stats - Highest 3117.78
Stats - Lowest 3100.18
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Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers?


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Originally Posted by sidepass
Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers?



I didn't really consider RL26 because it's not that temperature stable. It is advertised as somewhat temp. stable, but not as stable as RL23. For hunting purposes, i didn't want a powder that may change velocity. RL26 will be fine if the temperature is under ~85*F-90*F.

With RL26 you can probably get ~3200-3300fps with a 22" bbl. that might be on the high stiff load side.

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Originally Posted by DDRH65PRC
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Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers?



I didn't really consider RL26 because it's not that temperature stable. It is advertised as somewhat temp. stable, but not as stable as RL23. For hunting purposes, i didn't want a powder that may change velocity. RL26 will be fine if the temperature is under ~85*F-90*F.

With RL26 you can probably get ~3200-3300fps with a 22" bbl. that might be on the high stiff load side.

3200-3300 fps ??
That would be faster than a 6.5X284 or .264 maggie with 127 LRX's using standard powers..

Edit: Ah, maybe you are talking about your 6.5 PCR and not the Creed?

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Originally Posted by Nrut
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Originally Posted by sidepass
Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers?



I didn't really consider RL26 because it's not that temperature stable. It is advertised as somewhat temp. stable, but not as stable as RL23. For hunting purposes, i didn't want a powder that may change velocity. RL26 will be fine if the temperature is under ~85*F-90*F.

With RL26 you can probably get ~3200-3300fps with a 22" bbl. that might be on the high stiff load side.

3200-3300 fps ??
That would be faster than a 6.5X284 or .264 maggie with 127 LRX's using standard powers..

Edit: Ah, maybe you are talking about your 6.5 PCR and not the Creed?


My thought, too. Those are pretty hot for a Creed.


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Yes, i apologize, i meant for the 6.5 PRC.

I'm curious, how come some folks are using slow magnum powders for the Creedmoor? only powder available for you guys?

with my 22" factory REmington 700, i couldn't get H4350 and 127 LRX to play. every now and then i get a group <1", but majority of the time it was closer to 1.5-2.5"
I switched to RL16 and got much better groups. Also had to change primers to BR2. That got me to ~2830fps.

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Berger shows a 6.5 Creed load for their 135 Classic hunter and RL 26 at 45 grains for 2657 fps to 49.8 for 2977 fps. Hence my interest.

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Originally Posted by sidepass
Have seen some 127 LRX loads for the 6.5 Creed and RL26 with impressive numbers .Any one here have any experience with this combo ? And if so did you use mag primers?


In the 6.5x55, 25-06, 280AI the magnum primers did better. In the 243 standard were better. Now I start my load work up with magnum primers as it is safer to drop back to a standard primer than the other way around. Completely agree on the +85 degree temperature sensitivity. Not a problem most of the time but you need to be aware that a hot barrel will have the same affect. Use the Berger data as a velocity ceiling and you should be fine.

If you don't have R26 already, it is hard to get, and due to the stability question I would go to R23 or R16. These are not that far behind velocity wise and they perform better in hot weather.


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Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
.050 off almost always produces a good group for starters!


0.010” off the lands has always produced 1/2 MOA groups for me. Never had to adjust seating depth from that.

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I hunt with this exact same set up.......you'll like the H4350 better IMO.....I'd start about 41.5 gr and work up, depending on the lot I can get upwards of 43.0gr and just under 2900fps from my 22" barrel. The LRX hammers to about 600 yds then the Bergers and Horndady ELD's take over but the 127 LRX will reliably preform.....I've taken 2 coues bucks with this set combo.....if your going past 600 by design then I'd choose something more than the creedmoor.

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Originally Posted by Fotis
cool When you get the velocity please post

The velocity with the Barnes load is 3220 fps with the 127 gr. LRX out of my 6.5 PRC.

Sorry for being late with this information. I have yet to check the velocity of the Burger load.

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