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Originally Posted by mad_dog
Cory I thought I remembered where there was a factory 358 for $650 but it had DL wood on it, went back to where it was and it dissappeared.


Was it a factory DL in 358, or a factory 358 F with DL wood? It took me years to find a mint DL in 358, and it's 24".


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Originally Posted by CoryTheCowboy
Is barrel wall thickness an issue?


I would ask JES.


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Originally Posted by CoryTheCowboy


I'm wondering if I could find a "donor" rifle in .308 and have it rebored to .358? I prefer the rotary magazine to the removable clip and as I understand it the rotary magazines are cartridge specific, but since the .358 is just a necked up .308 I figure it should be a simple conversion? Is barrel wall thickness an issue? Is there anything obvious I'm missing with my thoughts?



A few members, myself included, have had JES rebore post-mil .308W 99Es to .358W so the conversion is doable.

The factory rotor in my E would feed the top .358 cartridge from the rotary magazine. However, loading a second round in the magazine would jam the rotor. Fortunately, included in the rebore service, at no additional charge, JES modified the rotor to load, feed and function correctly with a full magazine. Looking at the modified rotor, it appears the fix was only a couple of strokes with a file where the rotor cradles the cartridge necks . It should be mentioned that some factory .308 rotors will load and feed .358 just fine too.

My E as a .308W was not particularly accurate even though the chamber, bore and crown looked as perfect as Savage 99 barrels can be. After JES rebored it to a 3 groove, 1/12 twist, .358, it now shoots very close to MOA. Many groups start with two touching and the third opening the group to 1-1/4". The most amusing acquired feature is that squib loads with .38 special pistol bullets will shoot into a single .40 caliber ragged hole at 25 yds. That is better than a lot of .22 LRs can do.

IIRC, there was a post in another forum thread where John Barsness explained that often rebores improves poor accuracy in some barrels because the rebore process relieves detrimental stresses in the barrel metal.

I have replaced the inelegant, heavy Beech wood furniture with more graceful and lighter Walnut F buttstock and EG fore arm. The .358W E weights only 2 oz more than my .308W F. After hunting with both rifles for a couple of years, I find that I prefer to carry the E with the 20" barrel than the F with it's 22" barrel.

I realize that JES is not an option for you but Is there not a rebore specialist gunsmith in Canada? If so, I see nothing obvious missing in your thinking.


Thank you very much, this is what I was hoping to read. Yes, there's at least one gunsmith who specializes in reboring. Especially thankful that you mentioned the groove and twist as I was curious about that.

When talking to a good friend he said he used to have a .300 Savage rebored to .35 making it a .35/300. He said it shot quite well. I found a grey rat TD in 300 for the right price, but was wondering if a solid frame would be any stronger than a TD? I can't see any reason it would be, but thought I'd ask. I'm considering this as an option as I reload anyways and being a "wildcat" would add some excitement (Probably along with headaches and expense) to the project for me.

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Originally Posted by Angus1895
John Marlin...........

THE MAN who owned the factory who had enough confidence in his own patents, and was full of kindness and good feeling in his heart to help old Mr. Savage manufacture hisown patent of firearms. ( which are now highly coveted)

The Marlin Lever firearm is still in manufacture.

You seen the latest 2017 savage Lever action?

Me thinks not.


I'm sure he was a good man and made many fine rifles. That being said, we like Savages

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300/35 would not be a bad ass.

Probably pretty easy to do as well. And not very hard to find a 99 in 300 to start with.

Just sayin..

Edit: 300/35 would be a bad ass! blush


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Originally Posted by 99guy
300/35 would not be a bad ass.

Probably pretty easy to do as well. And not very hard to find a 99 in 300 to start with.

Just sayin..

Edit: 300/35 would be a bad ass! blush



I was also thinking it'd probably be easier to buy a cheap .300 than a .308.

I found this for $300 CDN, anyone think this looks like a perspective donor?

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The store says take down is still tight. Having problems id'ing the model though (99D?), has a 24" tube apparently.

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Originally Posted by CoryTheCowboy


When talking to a good friend he said he used to have a .300 Savage rebored to .35 making it a .35/300. He said it shot quite well. I found a grey rat TD in 300 for the right price, but was wondering if a solid frame would be any stronger than a TD? I can't see any reason it would be, but thought I'd ask. I'm considering this as an option as I reload anyways and being a "wildcat" would add some excitement (Probably along with headaches and expense) to the project for me.



Dunno anything regarding the strength of solid frames v.s. take-downs made during the same time period. The issue with TDs, for me, are barrels that don't fit tightly with the receivers. Think headspace issues.


If I was going to wildcat a 99 to anything that may generate more pressure than .250 Savage (not +P), I would stick with rifles made after Savage first chambered the 99 for the .308. I have no idea if Savage improved the metallurgy to accommodate those cartridges but if they did, I would guess that's when they would have done so.

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Originally Posted by CoryTheCowboy


Having problems id'ing the model though (99D?), has a 24" tube apparently.

Cory


Do you have a better picture of the front sight? I want to say it's an early F, but can't see the front sight.


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If you want a 358, you have to use a 99 with serial number higher than 900,000. Earlier rifles don't have enough room in the magazine to handle 243/308/358.

If you want a 35-300, than an earlier one will work.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
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Cory I thought I remembered where there was a factory 358 for $650 but it had DL wood on it, went back to where it was and it dissappeared.


Was it a factory DL in 358, or a factory 358 F with DL wood? It took me years to find a mint DL in 358, and it's 24".


It was pre-mil and someone slapped DL furniture on it. I've got a spare R set here, should have bought it and swapped out the wood. Only problem is that it would still be a $650 rifle in Canada so why bother.


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I decided to go with my 35/300, maybe less practicality (or at least factory ammunition) than the .358, but why not?

I mocked up some rounds using an old set of .35 Whelen dies (sized with .300 SAV, expanded neck and seated bullets with the .35 Whelen)

All I had kicking around were some Barnes 225 gr. bullets, not that I expect to use them, but they look like they mean business

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Borrowed my Dad's 99F and 3 shells fed like butter. Anymore than that they hung up in the mag. I usually just stick 3 in as habit from duck hunting, so if I can't figure it out easily, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Now that I know they'll feed, the hunt really starts for a .300 Savage and start the .35/300 project wheels turning (.358 Savage? .35 Savage? .35 Cowboy? ;))

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Eager to see how this turns out.

Keep us posted on your progress.


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