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I am on the search for a CD in 250,but have 2 questions. #1 Murray says they came with a leather sling, does anyone have a picture of the original sling? #2 Do all of the CD's in 250 have the faster twist?
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Can't answer about the sling. As far as I know all the barrels for all models were the same during the CD production period. Therefore they would have the 1 in 10" twist. It wouldn't make sense for it to be any different than the other models.David
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My ASSUMPTION has been that if the factory marked the barrel as a 250-3000 that it has a 1 in 14 twist. Likewise, if it is marked 250 SAV it has a 1 in 10 twist. Furthermore, to add to David's comment, I can't imagine Savage making 1 in 14 barrels as late as 1975 when the CD was introduced. My 1976 CD is marked 250 SAV.
My rifle did not come with a sling, so can't help there.
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My 1976 CD did not come with a sling neither, too. Also, that is. Plus 1.
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My ASSUMPTION has been that if the factory marked the barrel as a 250-3000 that it has a 1 in 14 twist. I have a 110LWE with the barrel marked as chambered for 250-3000 Savage which has a 1-10" twist. It is definitely factory since I special ordered it through my local gun shop back around 1990.
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Once owned a 250 CD, manufactured in 1976 IIRC, bought it with a sling and a Savage medallion in the butt stock. Sorry no images of the sling.
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That medallion was 1976 only. I think they started calling the cartridge 250-3000 as a nostalgia thing when they introduced the 99A in 1971. David
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I am on the search for a CD in 250,but have 2 questions. #1 Murray says they came with a leather sling, does anyone have a picture of the original sling? #2 Do all of the CD's in 250 have the faster twist?
I have owned a dozen or so 99CDs over the years. They were cataloged as coming with a plan 1" sling with QDs. All tang safety 99As and 99CDs in 250 Savage/250-3000 were cataloged as having 1-10" ROT barrels.
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Thanks that makes the list a bit longer for sure. Thought I read someplace that not all tang safety models were in the 1-10" ROT barrels but perhaps it was the model F's that are hit and miss.
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Thanks that makes the list a bit longer for sure. Thought I read someplace that not all tang safety models were in the 1-10" ROT barrels but perhaps it was the model F's that are hit and miss. I think that there may be early tang safety 99DLs and 99Fs with both 1-14" and 1-10" ROT barrels, but they are pretty uncommon in 250-3000. I used to buy 99A and 99CD barrels in 250 for projects that never got off the ground and probably still have a few around somewhere.
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99.99% of the time, if the barrel has a Utica or Chicopee Falls address on it, it will be 1-14". If it has Westfield, it will be 1-10".
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So it's likely the early post mil 99F 250's with the Chicopee barrels have a 1 in 14 twist? I haven't seen one in 250 but have seen several in 308. Another interesting fact is that the early DL's had 24" barrels with the raised rear sight base. Since the 24" barrels on the Chicopee EG's and R's were straight tapered Savage must have been making a special run of new barrels for the DL. If Savage had leftover lightweight barrels it seems as though they would have had leftover 24" straight tapered barrels also. Has anyone seen an early DL with a Chicopee barrel address? I'm betting if one exists it has the straight tapered barrel. Switch overs in manufacturing are never clean and that's why we see Chicopee barrels on post mil 99F's. We've talked about this before, I have a 99EG, serial number 9673xx with a lightweight 99F buttstock. It's matching numbers and has the straight tapered barrel. Savage must have had some straight tapered 24" barrels left over when they moved to Westfield and changed the models. David
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So it's likely the early post mil 99F 250's with the Chicopee barrels have a 1 in 14 twist? I haven't seen one in 250 but have seen several in 308. Another interesting fact is that the early DL's had 24" barrels with the raised rear sight base. Since the 24" barrels on the Chicopee EG's and R's were straight tapered Savage must have been making a special run of new barrels for the DL. If Savage had leftover lightweight barrels it seems as though they would have had leftover 24" straight tapered barrels also. Has anyone seen an early DL with a Chicopee barrel address? I'm betting if one exists it has the straight tapered barrel. Switch overs in manufacturing are never clean and that's why we see Chicopee barrels on post mil 99F's. We've talked about this before, I have a 99EG, serial number 9673xx with a lightweight 99F buttstock. It's matching numbers and has the straight tapered barrel. Savage must have had some straight tapered 24" barrels left over when they moved to Westfield and changed the models. David The 24" barrel 99DLs must not have been very popular in 250-3000, as I can only recall seeing a very few, probably less than 10, likewise tang safety 99Fs in 250-3000 must be among the least common of tang safety configurations.
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As a matter of fact David I have a post mil F in 250 with the Chicopee barrel, Lever boss I, SN 9451xx which will make it a 1957 model I believe. Pretty sure it is 1in 14" ROT but will double check latter today.
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So it's likely the early post mil 99F 250's with the Chicopee barrels have a 1 in 14 twist? Those would be the 0.01% of 250-3000's with Utica/Chicopee Falls addresses which might go 1-14" or 1-10".
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As a matter of fact David I have a post mil F in 250 with the Chicopee barrel, Lever boss I, SN 9451xx which will make it a 1957 model I believe. Pretty sure it is 1in 14" ROT but will double check latter today. Maybe I'm mis-reading your post, but in what universe is a rifle with a serial number under 1,000,000, like your rifle with SN 945,1xx, a post-million rifle? All PRE-million 99s in 250-3000 would have been cataloged with 1-14" ROT barrels, just as they would all have been cataloged with lever safeties.
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I found a NOS 250 barrel, 22" with the rear sight boss, Chicopee address, and it's 1-10" twist, went on a DL model donor rifle, so V threads.
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I found a NOS 250 barrel, 22" with the rear sight boss, Chicopee address, and it's 1-10" twist, went on a DL model donor rifle, so V threads. I know that they exist, but in very, very, very small quantities. The late Bill Guilderdale in Stockbridge, VT, used to trade into tang safety 99Fs in 250-3000 from time to time. I bought a couple from him in the late 1980's, but traded them off after I moved west, when rifles that I wanted more came calling. I would assume that the majority of sub-.308" bore 99s sold after 1960 were chambered in 243, probably more than all of the post-1960 99s chambered in 250-3000, 284, 22-250, and 7mm-08 combined,
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It just gets more and more complicated. Makes my head hurt. Maybe Savage started the post mill stuff before the move to Westfield or maybe the old barrel stamp was lying around at Westfield and an employee who didn't like the new plant stamped the barrel with the Chicopee address in protest to the move. I say this a lot, but "with Savage never say never". David
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FYI...
I have 3 ea, 250 F's in my data, all in the 1,006,0xx to 1,007,0xx range (same as Polecat).
The Chicopee address ran till late 1961 (1,028,000 range) so management had to know it was being made that way.
I think these 250's were 1 in 10 twist and with V threads. Wouldn't be leftovers from before the move. I'm guessing there was a small run early in 1960.
The only DL I have was reported by 260RemGuy and is in the 1,042,xxx range and is a 24".
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As a matter of fact David I have a post mil F in 250 with the Chicopee barrel, Lever boss I, SN 9451xx which will make it a 1957 model I believe. Pretty sure it is 1in 14" ROT but will double check latter today. Maybe I'm mis-reading your post, but in what universe is a rifle with a serial number under 1,000,000, like your rifle with SN 945,1xx, a post-million rifle? All PRE-million 99s in 250-3000 would have been cataloged with 1-14" ROT barrels, just as they would all have been cataloged with lever safeties. My most humble apologies Rick 99, I fully understand the difference between post and pre but am humble enough to admit that sometimes I don't necessarily type what I mean to say.
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