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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: vapodog] #12457293 12/10/17
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Cutting Edge Raptors are deadly on critters. I've never used them in the brush, but have read that they can start coming apart too early if they hit brush.

Here's a group out of my .308 Broughton 5C barreled Kimber Classic and the result on a young sow. The petals do fly off, messing up tissue. Check the spine on this pig, not in the direct path of the bullet. She was DRT.

I've posted these before, but they serve to illustrate CEB performance, both at the range and in the field.

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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: Whttail_in_MT] #12457300 12/10/17
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Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
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Have also used the Cutting Edge Raptor some, enough to know it would work as well. It's designed to lose the petals, however, so wouldn't please some hunters.

Those Hammers I asked you about are designed to do the same thing. I also wondered about how well received monometals that don't retain 99%+ of their weight would be by hunters.

Bullet weight retention is, IMO, way overrated. Killing efficacy is more of what I'm interested in.

Partitions, the classic by which others are judged, lose a good bit of their mass and by design. Same concept with the CEB Raptors. They're sorta the mono version of a NPT.

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Barnes gn 180 TTSX, I'm launching them close to 3k out of my 300 WSM. 5 dead bull elk with them so far.


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As a precaution, maybe the "homeowner's" association will demand wheel weights all be removed from vehicles too. And how old is the plumbing system?

Completely asinine.

Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: Whttail_in_MT] #12457467 12/10/17
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Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by seattlesetters
Interested to know if they are seeing a corresponding drop in coyotes and other scavengers that are far more likely to feed on carcasses than fish-eating eagles are?


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And probably more lead there than in any hunting areas as well...none of it from bullets.

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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: SNAP] #12457516 12/10/17
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Originally Posted by SNAP
Why?????

I have some loaded into Norma brass for my customized FN .308Norma and am testing 225 TTSXs in my Martini-modded Dakota 76 .338WM, and am not as yet quite satisfied with these loads.

I have excellent 200 and 250Npt. loads for each and am now wondering why I am bothering with the non-lead slugs as we do not, as yet anyway, have issues with leadcored bullets....as you know, Mike, of course.

I want to still hunt if and as I can and am just curious here?

[quote=SNAP]Why?????

Snap..... Howdy, and I answered your question over on “that other site”! wink


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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: Rug3] #12457527 12/10/17
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Originally Posted by Rug3
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I'd probably check the Barnes TTSX as one candidate. I also might drop down to 165 grains.


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Agreed!!! I go with the 165 or the 168 TTSX’s. You get very good BC’s and near 100% weight retention! If you go with the 180 (a great bullet also) because it’s a mono bullet....it is considerably longer than a conventional cup and core bullet and will use up a lot of available case capacity. memtb

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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: vapodog] #12457559 12/10/17
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I am considering using the .30 cal Barnes for a brown bear hunt. I called Barnes and asked what I would gain in penetration by using the 180 over the 165 or 168 and the technician said emphatically nothing at all. A good friend of his had returned recently from Russia where he took a bear with the 168 gr. and had complete penetration.

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Here's another post that says the terminal performance of the TSX, TTSX, E-Tip, and GMX are so near the same that there'd be other reasons for me to choose one over the other. I'd also suggest going lighter than 180 grains; 165/168 is better in my experience, and the 150 better still.


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Suck bullets simply suck.

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I shoot the 168 gr TTSX in my Weatherby with sub MOA accuracy and performance on game is amazing. Even a bull moose at 400 yards on a high shoulder shot didn't stop the bullet. Many elk have supported this also.


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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: Dirtfarmer] #12457676 12/10/17
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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Have also used the Cutting Edge Raptor some, enough to know it would work as well. It's designed to lose the petals, however, so wouldn't please some hunters.

Those Hammers I asked you about are designed to do the same thing. I also wondered about how well received monometals that don't retain 99%+ of their weight would be by hunters.

Bullet weight retention is, IMO, way overrated. Killing efficacy is more of what I'm interested in.

Partitions, the classic by which others are judged, lose a good bit of their mass and by design. Same concept with the CEB Raptors. They're sorta the mono version of a NPT.

DF


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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: 406_SBC] #12457677 12/10/17
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Originally Posted by 406_SBC
Here's another post that says the terminal performance of the TSX, TTSX, E-Tip, and GMX are so near the same that there'd be other reasons for me to choose one over the other. I'd also suggest going lighter than 180 grains; 165/168 is better in my experience, and the 150 better still.


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I've shot lots of Barnes X/TSX/TTSX and find they normally perform fine. However, I've also used E-Tips and GMX with identical performance. Cost and availability are more likely to influence my decision than the bullet being made by Barnes, Nosler, or Hornady.


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Suck bullets simply suck.

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If shots will stay under 350 yards a 130 grain TTSX will work fine and you will have about the same chance of recovering one of them.

Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: vapodog] #12457953 12/10/17
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Took my first deer this afternoon with a Hornady GMX, about a 130 to 140 class deer the Performance was very pleasing. Basically about what I’ve come to expect from over a decade of using TSX or TTSX. I’ve always used 180’s in my 300’s and 30/06’s. Nothing wrong with the performance of 150, 165/168 in copper bullets in my experience,

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Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: vapodog] #12457979 12/10/17
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It's too bad one of the companies doesn't make a 157.5-grain monolithic in .30 caliber. Then we could all argue/be confused over whether it would work best.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
It's too bad one of the companies doesn't make a 157.5-grain monolithic in .30 caliber. Then we could all argue/be confused over whether it would work best.




I guess we could file a bit off of the base to achieve 157.5 grains! wink memtb


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I load 168 e-tips in my 300 RUM and 150 TTSX or e-tips in 300saum. Both have worked very well on elk and deer.

Re: 30 cal lead free bulleta [Re: vapodog] #12458394 12/10/17
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Look at the 150 grain E tips, they are as long as a lead core 180 and don't give up much on expansion. They can be driven faster to ensure expansion too ...

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I don't buy in to the eagles/condors dying from eating lead bullets from gut piles, but for the last 8 years the only hunting bullets that I've used in my .300 Weatherby have been Barnes 168 and 168 grain TSX and TTSX. They all will shoot sub moa in my rifle, and they all have performed well on the animals that I have shot with them.


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