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I would like to have a spare magazine for my Winchester Model 70 'Classic Sporter' chambered in .300 Win. Mag. The designated mark is an (E), as the rifle is Controlled Round Feed, not Push Feed. I found a part on Midwest Gun Works but it states for Push Feed. I enclosed a picture of my magazine and I'll provide the link of Midwest Gun Works. All replies are truly appreciated. Thank you very much.

* If any have the aforesaid item, I'm willing to purchase or if any can direct me to a supplier with a better price. (Most expensive.)

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Winchester Model 70 DBM . 300 Win. Mag.

Winchester Model 70 DBM . 300 Win. Mag

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You need an "E" box for a .300WM???? Those are normally for the full-length magnums ala .300HH or 7mm STW..


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Originally Posted by Redneck
You need an "E" box for a .300WM???? Those are normally for the full-length magnums ala .300HH or 7mm STW..


The (E) Magazine (DBM) "As Pictured" is what came with the .300 Win. Mag. I currently possess "Purchased New". However, MidWest GunWorks shows an (EC) for a .300 Win. Mag (CRF). What do I need, (E) as originally with the .300 Win. Mag. or (EC)? Thank you for the reply but I find the response somewhat confusing. Again, the (E) designation from MudWest GunWorks states for (Push Feed) 'only'.

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In full disclosure, I've never had a M70 DBM in the shop so it's very possible that "E" designation in your rifle is for that specific bottom metal..

However, the .300WM, .7mmRM etc in the Classic M70 uses an "ML" box... The PF actions use a "BR" magazine for those rounds.. This comes right out of the Winchester parts book..

The "E" box is obsolete, but was used for the 7mmSTW & .300 WBY magnum in M70s with S/N below G318388... It's not shown as an option in the PF parts section.


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I just called Winchester and spoke with Shannon and he said to get the (E), same as my magazine. I called Midwest and spoke with Robert who said (EC) (CRF). When I emphatically stated that Winchester said to get the (E), Robert said that should work if that's what you have now. The (E) designation specifically states (PF) which is highly confusing, yet Winchester said it should work.

* I do not know what a "ML" box is. My serial number is way below 318388: 'The first three digits on my serial number are 169XXX'. I believe you are completely correct. Could you tell me what the "ML" box is? Also, what DBM should I order (E) OR (EC)?

* Winchester stated (Robert) initially that my rifle (1996) did not have a DBM, rather hinged plate, "if you can believe that". I said to Robert I purchased brand new. After further checking Robert said they did not make many with the DBM and they were worth 'a lot of money' - "Audio log can substantiate every word verbatim". Robert finally admitted that I did have a DBM, 'Like I do not know my own rifle'.

Thank you very much for your assistance. So, should I purchase (E) OR (EC)?

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PF stands for Push Feed action.. If you have an "E" now, then by all means obtain another "E".. He's right about the DBM being run only a few years, 92-94 (according to the Blue Book.

They weren't very popular and Winchester discontinued them. I'm guessing that "E" box was used for the DBM due literally to it's size.. It would allow the insertion/removal of a detachable box. However, it's use was really for rounds as I noted above..

But now my question is - are you just trying to add another "E" box or are you trying to find another detachable magazine? According to your chart you note in the original post, the "E" box is for the push-feed (PF) action.. But you indicated you have a Classic rifle, ergo, that would mean you'd need the "EC" magazine..

I don't show those - at all - in any of my parts books..

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Thank you very much for your help. Sorry, in my hast I inadvertently forgot of (PF) which is push feed. What is a ML box, is what I'd like to know. I've edited the (PF).

* I'd like to have an extra Detachable Box Magazine as I now have with an (E) designation, not the box so to say. No offense, to clarify this more clearly, "The magazine holding the rounds" 'only'. I've enclosed a picture of what I currently have which clearly states (E) on the magazine. I've been through the parts books, can't find it either, so you are correct. The record keeping seems to be bungled after 1992 whether by fire,loss, etc. You are certainly correct in denoting the use of its uses, accompanied by the specific calibers. You are also correct regarding the years of production (1992-1994). However, I purchased brand new at the Kittery Trading Post in Maine in 1996, so how do I have a DBM which specs out for the years of (1992-1994)? I very much appreciate the assistance you provided.

* Regarding the (E) MAGAZINE which I have, would you know of any supplier other than MidWest Gunworks having one available? The price is $115.00 plus shipping of $11.95, simply bleeding the person in need. Sometimes, I believe that I should forego any firearms, especially when not even the manufacturer can provide a straight forward answer.

* I may have not clarified my statement in retrospect: " I have the (E) designation on the 'magazine' itself as provided in the pictured link. I was not aware of an (E) box being an addition to the magazine. Yes, just the magazine I'm seeking. Thank you.

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laugh

Just because you bought it "new" in '96 does not mean the rifle was made in '96....I.e., they had it in stock for some time (usually designated as "New, Old Stock", for example, on Gunbroker)

Ok, so you're looking for the actual detachable part.. They won't be cheap - no matter where you look - simply because they're obsolete.. You could try doing a search on Ebay and Gunbroker to see if any are listed.

the "ML" box is used for the .300 WM, .338 WM 7mm RM etc for a standard Classic rifle (i.e., drop floorplate) and it's a blued item.. This confusion results from the differences in references between a standard M70 classic and the DBM M70 classic - since the latter uses a similar letter to denote the detachable magazine while the standard Classic uses the SAME letter to describe a box magazine used for the standard M70 Classic chambered in the full-length magnums..

I can fully understand your dilemma here.. But detachable magazines are not cheap in any rifle.. Even the total pos magazines that Remington sells for their line of rifles (740,742,7400,750,760,7600) run $30+ each - and the REAL value is about $5, tops...

Browning BAR magazines run $65-75 depending... But at least those WORK... laugh

Hope I made it a bit clearer..


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No, Made in October 3, 1996 as verified by Winchester historian. Yes, you are certainly correct on all points you have illuminated. However, I believe you may be incorrect in terms of when the rifle was manufactured, unless the Winchester historian was incorrect. I provided the serial number and he quickly verified the aforesaid date specified, 'Coinciding with my receipt". Again, all information can be corroborated 'verbatim' via audio logs. All of my calls are logged. This is how I conduct business. In a sense, I do not like to use such technology but the society in which we live is just not fair or truthful.

* You have certainly clarified most of the subject matter, irrespective of the year manufactured. Could you enhance or elaborate upon the date of manufacture according to your synopsis vs. the Winchester historian? I truly appreciate the exemplary information you have stated in all of the above points.

* You're right on the money for the BAR magazines.

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Interesting that Win sez yours was made in '96... That means the Blue Book is wrong... (Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values) which is where I looked to find dates of manufacture..

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Note the book sez the date of manufacture for the Classic .300WM is " '94 only".


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Yes, I've seen those facts numerous times and have been confounded with them. I just do not know who to believe anymore. Is there any way to determine the exact year if I provide my serial number to you?

* Someone is wrong. I forgot to mention that the Winchester historian also made mention: The rifle (1996) could have been fitted with parts from previous years in making the DBM. I did not mention this facet to you, only to see what answers you would provide. I had no intention, none on trying to deceive you. Accordingly, is the Winchester historian correct by stating that Winchester could have used parts from previous years to build a 1996, further adding, "It's not unheard of"? I never in my entire life have heard such things relating to firearms. Your opinion is truly appreciated.


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Well, I've heard of it, but since you bought the rifle from a verified retailer I'm pretty sure it wasn't 'converted' by another person....but it's possible that Winchester did that.. Personally I would have NO idea who's the correct informant here...

One thing I just thought of - did the historian JUST verify the DOM, or did he also verify it came from Win as a DBM?


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Winchester specified it was their rifle. In fact, seeing that you are a gunsmith, I sent the rifle back having a service number attached to it which I can provide to you. In reality, they provided a new stock, re-bedded according to my specifications, polished and re-blued all parts and provided a custom engraved grip cap only used with the Super Grade.

* Winchester provided the date of manufacture. I did not ask if it came from Winchester, for else would it derive? I can call back and present that question to him. But, where, but where else would it be coming from, 'again' if "not" from Winchester?

* I'm going to forego purchasing any more firearms, and may be returning to the monastery. This path is just growing worse by the day. I'll call Winchester again for the last time, then I'm simply forgetting everything. There are far too many snakes in this world, always ready to entrap the unsuspecting. In fact, i most likely shall "not" purchase from MidWest Gunworks for they feed off ones desire. In turn, at the appropriate hour, they shall be repaid in full by Our Eternal Light. Keep the faith, it is far more valuable than anything in this world for we shall all be redeemed at the transfiguration. If you wish to reply, you may. There are not many of your caliber left, hardly none. I am grateful for all the help you have provided.

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I just called Winchester and spoke with Lenny, the historian. This is the same person I spoke with on November 20, 2017. After presenting the questions to whether the firearm came from Winchester, "Lenny replied" 'It did'. The rifle was sent to Kittery Trading Post on October 3, 1996 BUT it was manufactured in 1994 (One Year Run Only). Lenny provided the wrong information to me previously in saying the rifle was manufactured in 1996.

* In this respect, there were not many produced and as Winchester states, "It is worth a lot of money". If you would like to listen to the audio, I can send it to you via PM or your email.

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Nah - that's ok.. Glad the guy verified that it was a '94 DOM... Value? Maybe - since they were made only a very short time.. However, the DBM rifles were (as I stated before) not popular and Win discontinued the run... They also say the BOSS models bring a premium, but in reality it's the opposite..

Did you check to see if those magazines are available elsewhere?


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Hmm.. I just did a quick check and found bupkis.


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I do not follow that terminology, 'bupkis' > "Does that mean nothing"?


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Originally Posted by Redneck
Nah - that's ok.. Glad the guy verified that it was a '94 DOM... Value? Maybe - since they were made only a very short time.. However, the DBM rifles were (as I stated before) not popular and Win discontinued the run... They also say the BOSS models bring a premium, but in reality it's the opposite..

Did you check to see if those magazines are available elsewhere?


"Classic" produced in 1994 only. Searched everywhere but the only person having any is MidWest GunWorks, one guy on GunBroker for $100.00. Why bother when MGW is $115.00. Climags has one only (EC) which I do not know whether the fitment is correct. $79.00

The rifle is out of commission and shall remain so for the value will increase. I've heard the stories of how the DBM's were not popular, But are far more expensive than a hinged floor plate. Try to find one. Glad they discontinued the run. The 1992- 1994 were the years the DBM was manufactured BUT in the "Classic Sporter" '1994' "ONLY".

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