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Has anyone used this combination on game? I worked up some loads using the 139 Scenar and the 140 Accubond and both shot amazing groups just trying to decide which one to go with. The BC is quite a bit higher on the Scenar which makes me want to run it but can’t find any testimonials of its performance on game only comments where guys plan to load some up.

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I'd use a match bullet for match shooting and shoot bullets designed for shooting animals for shooting animals. What is the difference in BC and what difference does it make at the ranges you anticipate killing animals?

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Originally Posted by AlaskaCub
Has anyone used this combination on game? I worked up some loads using the 139 Scenar and the 140 Accubond and both shot amazing groups just trying to decide which one to go with. The BC is quite a bit higher on the Scenar which makes me want to run it but can’t find any testimonials of its performance on game only comments where guys plan to load some up.
I put a 139 Scenar from a 6.5x55 into a middling size bull moose (1000+ pounds) a few years ago. The shot came at about 75 yards and its terminal performance was exceptional. It's an excellent bullet on targets and flesh/bone. I've not put the 136 grain Scenar into an animal yet, but I would like to if for nothing else than to have some reliable feedback on its terminal abilities. My shooting with the 136 on steel and other inanimate objects leads me to believe that it will be more of the same.


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PM Pat (Scenarshooter) about the 139 Scenar and how it works on game animals.

I’m convinced.

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I can understand being hesitant about using a target bullet for hunting. But in this case I've seen enough to convince me it'll work.

Check out this thread if in doubt.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...via-scenar-bullet-pix-please#Post4977783


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Both of you should read the thread "Deceased via Scenar" and you both will be enlightened.

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I’d read that thread before, it led me to run 155’s in the 06. Didn’t remember there being so many 6.5 Scenar posts in there, probably because I had no interest in it at the time. thanks for reminding me of it.

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That thread prompted me to give the 139 Scenar a try in my 6.5 Swede. From a couple weeks ago - 40 yard shot tight behind shoulder exited breaking offside shoulder. Exit hole was small - could just work a finger into it, lungs were completely liquefied and top of heart was gone. I've heard they work well at long range too whistle I would expect similar results in the Creedmoor...

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Originally Posted by JGray
That thread prompted me to give the 139 Scenar a try in my 6.5 Swede. From a couple weeks ago - 40 yard shot tight behind shoulder exited breaking offside shoulder. Exit hole was small - could just work a finger into it, lungs were completely liquefied and top of heart was gone. I've heard they work well at long range too whistle I would expect similar results in the Creedmoor...

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Originally Posted by JMR40
I can understand being hesitant about using a target bullet for hunting. But in this case I've seen enough to convince me it'll work.

Check out this thread if in doubt.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...via-scenar-bullet-pix-please#Post4977783


Consider me a convert. I went through the first 15 or so pages. I believe that bullet is better than adequate for hunting. I wonder how though. The cross sections I have seen show a comparatively thin jacket a small opening and a substantial cavity. When I read about Sierra match bullets being used for hunting, I don't see the same almost universal praise, yet the bullets appear very similar in construction. What's Lapua's secret?

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by JMR40
I can understand being hesitant about using a target bullet for hunting. But in this case I've seen enough to convince me it'll work.

Check out this thread if in doubt.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...via-scenar-bullet-pix-please#Post4977783


Consider me a convert. I went through the first 15 or so pages. I believe that bullet is better than adequate for hunting. I wonder how though. The cross sections I have seen show a comparatively thin jacket a small opening and a substantial cavity. When I read about Sierra match bullets being used for hunting, I don't see the same almost universal praise, yet the bullets appear very similar in construction. What's Lapua's secret?

I, too, was concerned about the thin jacket.

I think it must be the lead alloy and hardness.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by JMR40
I can understand being hesitant about using a target bullet for hunting. But in this case I've seen enough to convince me it'll work.

Check out this thread if in doubt.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...via-scenar-bullet-pix-please#Post4977783


Consider me a convert. I went through the first 15 or so pages. I believe that bullet is better than adequate for hunting. I wonder how though. The cross sections I have seen show a comparatively thin jacket a small opening and a substantial cavity. When I read about Sierra match bullets being used for hunting, I don't see the same almost universal praise, yet the bullets appear very similar in construction. What's Lapua's secret?

I, too, was concerned about the thin jacket.

I think it must be the lead alloy and hardness.

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A lot of those Scenars were driven all the way through large animals at MAGNUM velocities. That bullet is unquestionably tough. Tough and accurate. What's not to like?

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Tough and accurate, with a high BC for lighter weights like the 30 cal 155, 6.5 mm 123, and 7 mm 150. And short ogives that make it easier to seat the bullet near the lands within magazine constraints.

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The 123 Scenar is one of the tightest shooting bullets in my 6.5 Creed. The 139 is the best so far in my Swede.

After Pat's extended experience with Scenars for hunting, what's not to like.

Accurate with great terminal performance. Who cares if it's a target bullet, it works like a champ on game.

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Typical performance from my 260 is caliber-sized hole going in, golfball-sized exit. Penetration is never a concern and expansion is always obvious. I think the hollow front end gives them delayed expansion similar to bergers.

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Originally Posted by cast10K
Typical performance from my 260 is caliber-sized hole going in, golfball-sized exit. Penetration is never a concern and expansion is always obvious. I think the hollow front end gives them delayed expansion similar to bergers.

They seem to be tougher than Bergers.

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I've always thought the jackets on the Scenar were a bit harder than Berger Jackets.

Be interesting to run a Rockwell test on the two....


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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
I've always thought the jackets on the Scenar were a bit harder than Berger Jackets.

Be interesting to run a Rockwell test on the two....

Pat,

You think a harder jacket could contribute to that much difference in terminal performance?

Wouldn't it also take harder lead alloy to make the Scenar that much tougher than some other target type bullets with similar jacket thickness?

It's hard to argue with success. They seem to have bullet making pretty well figured out.

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Might be the ogive like the Bergers that delay expansion some. The Lapua brass is harder than most maybe they use a similar harder alloy for the jackets.

Pat just made a new convert of me. I will give the 139 - 6.5 a try for next year in my Swede. The 130 Bergers are deadly but a little too explosive for my use at shorter ranges.


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Can someone please illustrate me on the differences between the Scenar, and the Scenar "L".

I was going to place my order and noticed about an "L" version I had not heard.

I will be using them for hunting, in a 6.5 mm cartridge with a 1-8" twist.

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