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Originally Posted by elkcountry
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I have a 2008 K1500 crew with the 5.3L. We are looking at upgrading the truck as we are considering a camp trailer that weighs 5500lb. empty, 6500+ loaded. I was seriously leaning 2500 6.0L gasser, but have recently learned of the new 6.2L with an 8 speed tranny in the new 1/2 ton. 95% of driving will be a commuter but 6-8 times a year it will be used to pull. They are rated for a pretty hefty 11,700lbs for towing.

Anybody have experience/opinions?


Thanks in advance,

Elk Country




That 6.2 is nothing like the earlier Chev. small blocks, and even the LS series. It's the LT1 which is a completely new engine, They started from scratch and everything is different except for for bore spacing. That thing is awesome. Same engine as the new Corvette stingray only tuned for truck use. A friend has one and loves it, says it goes 13's stock. He's also at sea level. You're in No. Colorado elk country/elevation (?) and will be towing which is a whole different thing. Get a diesel. Turbocharging makes a huge difference at altitude......all the difference in the world. You just don't feel mountain grades even when towing. Diesel torque makes even daily driving a lot more enjoyable. In 13yrs I've towed only a couple times with my diesel but do go up and down mountain grades and wouldn't trade it for anything.

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Originally Posted by elkcountry
All,

I have a 2008 K1500 crew with the 5.3L. We are looking at upgrading the truck as we are considering a camp trailer that weighs 5500lb. empty, 6500+ loaded. I was seriously leaning 2500 6.0L gasser, but have recently learned of the new 6.2L with an 8 speed tranny in the new 1/2 ton. 95% of driving will be a commuter but 6-8 times a year it will be used to pull. They are rated for a pretty hefty 11,700lbs for towing.

Anybody have experience/opinions?


Thanks in advance,

Elk Country



I have a 2010 2500HD 4x4 CC 6.0/6L90, I was looking for a 1500 4x4 CC 5.3/6L90 but this one popped up, white on black leather that was most important to me. I knew the 6.0 was a gas hog but bought it anyway. It has averaged 12.1 mpg but tows fantastic, ride is good for a 2500.

The 6.0 and the 6.2 are different engines, the Gen V is direct injected, aluminum block and have AFM standard but not sure if that is also in 2500's. A lot of people do not like AFM.

AFM delete is not cheap on the Gen IV and I am not sure if it's possible on Gen V's.

If I only towed 6-8 times a year I would be inclined to choose a 1500 6.2/8L90.


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Thanks for all of your responses guys. Sooooo many things to consider. Every time I think I have my mind made up, Something else creeps up and scrambles everything. The biggest consideration is this will be my daily driver. The 2500 with a 6.0L averaging 12-13mpg is really a big negative in my book. However going diesel is more initial cost and maintenance so that isn't high on the list plus the wife isnt thrilled about diesels! Looks like the 1500 6.2L with a 6.5' box is the way I'm leaning..........today! Probably going to wait untill next summer to get serious but it's fun to do the research!

Would really like to hear from you guys with the 6.2L 1500s!

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Are the 6.2s needing 93 octane? Seems like I read that earlier?

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I own two 6.2L GMC's. My old one, a 2011 6.2L Maxx, now has 169k miles on it. It ran on 87 octane gas most of it's life, until, on a lark, I started running 91 octane in it, and immediately noticed a definite uptick in performance. So, then I looked in the owners manual, LOL, and sure enough, 91 octane is recommended. My new one is a 2017 Denali Ultimate with the newer direct injection 6.2L. The owners manual on the new one recommends 93 octane for full performance and best fuel economy, but lesser octanes can be safely used. My daughters 2009 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L also recommends premium, but will run fine on 87, but with a decrease in performance. I run 91, no ethanol, in both of my 6.2L's now, since 93 is not available in my hood, as far as I know.

My point is, you don't have to run high octane gas in the 6.2L, but if you really want them to snort, 91 is the way to go. BTW, I am told by a former Ford salesman, that this is a common phenomenon these days, where the manufacturers rate the horsepower and fuel economy using high octane gas, but the engines run fine on lesser gas, but with a decrease in performance. Still better than a certain car I own, which is supposed to burn 91 ONLY.


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Originally Posted by elkcountry
Thanks for all of your responses guys. Sooooo many things to consider. Every time I think I have my mind made up, Something else creeps up and scrambles everything. The biggest consideration is this will be my daily driver. The 2500 with a 6.0L averaging 12-13mpg is really a big negative in my book. However going diesel is more initial cost and maintenance so that isn't high on the list plus the wife isnt thrilled about diesels! Looks like the 1500 6.2L with a 6.5' box is the way I'm leaning..........today! Probably going to wait untill next summer to get serious but it's fun to do the research!

Would really like to hear from you guys with the 6.2L 1500s!

Shoot straight

Elk Country



Drive a new diesel before you kiss off on them. My '04 feels primitive compared to a friend's '13 Denali, and the new ones are a whole world more refined now than just 5yrs ago. From outside it's hard to tell the new Chevy's are diesel, inside the cab you can hardly hear the engine. And torque with any diesel has to be experienced to be appreciated. Test drive up a mountain grade from a stop and you'll be sold.

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I have an '11 2500 duramax and a '16 2500 with 6.0 in the household. I haven't towed with the '16 yet, but I will this fall. As a daily runabout, the gasser seems just fine to me. We will see how it does with a trailer. I like the dmax a bunch but it costs more to run in maintenance and initial cost, and some of the emissions stuff can be a pan in the backside. That being said, I have 100k on it without too much in the way of non-routine maintenance.

ETA. I tow long distances (5k per summer). If short true were the rule, I would pick the 6.0 for the cost savings and general gasser convenience. Mileage is better in the duramax, enough so that it pays for the diesel upcharge in fuel cost plus a bit more.

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I just bought a new RAM diesel. I looked at Chevy, Ford and Ram. Chevy diesel drove nice, but it had the lowest stance and their DEF tank is under the passenger area and reduces clearance by several inches yet. You also have to fill the DEF under the hood.

The Ford cab is wonderfully roomy, but I can't stand how their steering column adjusts. The gas engine also has a lag when you press on the gas. Salesman said all Ford gas pick-ups are that way. The Diesel was nice, but for that column. Also, in the independent tests I have seen the Ford came in last for mileage and speed when loaded. First for speed when empty.

The Chevy 6.0 2500 I tested made me yearn for my 2000. My 2000 was better. The new one seemed to struggle to get to highway speed. The Chevy had less room and less options for $7,000 more than the RAM.

I was told by a guy that his 1/2 ton Chevy with the 6.2 was a great motor and he got 12 mpg while pulling. He didn't say what he was pulling though.

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Everybody likes to talk engines,
some transmissions.

Easiest way to make or break a pulling vehicle.


Rear gear. Can make a little motor out pull a bigger one.


Try to find two identical trucks with different ratio.
You will be amazed at the difference.

But, you are balancing mpg/performance.


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I LOVE the Chevy LS engines. The iron block 6.0 is bullet proof and powerful as is the dodge Cummins. I'm not a fan of the ford gas engines and not a fan of the ford 6.0 diesel. The old Ford's with the 7.3 diesel were real trucks.


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The GM 6.0 liter gasser/6L90 transmission/4.10 rear end is a really good combination for a gasser for everything except fuel economy.

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Thanks for the responses guys.

After looking at a new bedroom set at the furniture store Sat. afternoon, the boss wanted to drive thru the local car lots. Found a 2017 Dark Blue Chevy 2500 Duramax for $69K. Salesman said that Chevy's special pricing didn't apply the 3/4 trucks.
Drove over to the GMC dealer...Nuthin'! Down the road we turned into the Ford Dealer, turned the corner and there she was! A 2017Dark blue F250 Lariat 4x4 Shortbox with a 6.7L Power Stroke. Sticker said $63k. It was a little chilly so the boss sat in the truck as the sales guy made his way to us. After the usual small talk he asked if I was interested. Not for $63k! He said that since we saw the truck "on line" he could knock the price down to $56k...NOW we're talkin. Talked it over with the better half and we took it for a little drive. Loved it so we decided to talk numbers. Ended up at $42K after negotiating trade of my '08 K1500 crew and I keep the topper. DONE DEAL! I even talked them into a spray in bed liner, clear bra on the hood and 1/2 price on the Platinum maintenance package which extends the warranty to 7yrs and includes 15 oil changes @$125/ea. Was not even thinking new truck let alone a Diesel, but basically got the Diesel for the gas price. I've always been a Chevy guy, but for the difference in price I'll give Ford a try! $13k difference isn't something to sneeze at. I wish I knew how to post a picture as she is a great looking truck!

You guys have been a really big help...THANKS AGAIN!

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Yeah, the MSRP normally has a couple dollars cushion for them to play with. They didn't lose any money on it.


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More than a few dollars from what I'm seeing on the tube. Some of our local dealers are advertising as much as 22% off MSRP on the slower moving 2017's! I wonder what they would say if you walked in with your calculator and multiplied their MSRP number by .78 and started your negotiation from there? I always figured that when the sales guy stopped smiling that you were getting closer. He isn't your friend. Sis and I were buying her a new car and when we headed for the door another $1,000. came off the price. I've always thought that there would be a nice sideline for a presentable guy with some negotiating skills helping a single woman buy a new car. Women get intimidated by car salesmen and end up paying too much. Because they don't trust themselves buying a used car and a possible problem, they are buying a lot of the new ones.


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Originally Posted by elkcountry
Thanks for the responses guys.

After looking at a new bedroom set at the furniture store Sat. afternoon, the boss wanted to drive thru the local car lots. Found a 2017 Dark Blue Chevy 2500 Duramax for $69K. Salesman said that Chevy's special pricing didn't apply the 3/4 trucks.
Drove over to the GMC dealer...Nuthin'! Down the road we turned into the Ford Dealer, turned the corner and there she was! A 2017Dark blue F250 Lariat 4x4 Shortbox with a 6.7L Power Stroke. Sticker said $63k. It was a little chilly so the boss sat in the truck as the sales guy made his way to us. After the usual small talk he asked if I was interested. Not for $63k! He said that since we saw the truck "on line" he could knock the price down to $56k...NOW we're talkin. Talked it over with the better half and we took it for a little drive. Loved it so we decided to talk numbers. Ended up at $42K after negotiating trade of my '08 K1500 crew and I keep the topper. DONE DEAL! I even talked them into a spray in bed liner, clear bra on the hood and 1/2 price on the Platinum maintenance package which extends the warranty to 7yrs and includes 15 oil changes @$125/ea. Was not even thinking new truck let alone a Diesel, but basically got the Diesel for the gas price. I've always been a Chevy guy, but for the difference in price I'll give Ford a try! $13k difference isn't something to sneeze at. I wish I knew how to post a picture as she is a great looking truck!

You guys have been a really big help...THANKS AGAIN!

Elk Country


How is the truck doing for you, sounds like a nice truck. Remember we like truck porn almost as much as gun porn, pictures would be nice but we will not hold it against you.


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BIGR,

So far we love it! The cab is incredibly roomy. I'm still learning all of the buttons and the Nav. features seem endless. I'm averaging 15.5 mpg to work and back, not bad. We purchased a 28' Jayco camp trailer that weighs about 7000lbs dry and the diesel pulls it down the highway as fast as I want to, but I keep it under 70mph.

I have plenty of pictures on my phone and I would be happy to text one to a member that knows how to post pics. If someone would do it for me!

Thanks for asking. So far so good!

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Good deal, I am glad its working out for you.


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Originally Posted by elkcountry
Thanks for the responses guys.

After looking at a new bedroom set at the furniture store Sat. afternoon, the boss wanted to drive thru the local car lots. Found a 2017 Dark Blue Chevy 2500 Duramax for $69K. Salesman said that Chevy's special pricing didn't apply the 3/4 trucks.
Drove over to the GMC dealer...Nuthin'! Down the road we turned into the Ford Dealer, turned the corner and there she was! A 2017Dark blue F250 Lariat 4x4 Shortbox with a 6.7L Power Stroke. Sticker said $63k. It was a little chilly so the boss sat in the truck as the sales guy made his way to us. After the usual small talk he asked if I was interested. Not for $63k! He said that since we saw the truck "on line" he could knock the price down to $56k...NOW we're talkin. Talked it over with the better half and we took it for a little drive. Loved it so we decided to talk numbers. Ended up at $42K after negotiating trade of my '08 K1500 crew and I keep the topper. DONE DEAL! I even talked them into a spray in bed liner, clear bra on the hood and 1/2 price on the Platinum maintenance package which extends the warranty to 7yrs and includes 15 oil changes @$125/ea. Was not even thinking new truck let alone a Diesel, but basically got the Diesel for the gas price. I've always been a Chevy guy, but for the difference in price I'll give Ford a try! $13k difference isn't something to sneeze at. I wish I knew how to post a picture as she is a great looking truck!

You guys have been a really big help...THANKS AGAIN!

Elk Country


Now that sounds like a happy ending to me!

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My daily driver right now is a 2017 GMC Denali 1500 with the 6.2L. For a truck the gas mileage is very good, I am sitting at 9.8L/100kms with 50/50 city & highway.

For towing, the engine has more than enough power for your weight. The problem is when towing a big square box, like an enclosed trailer, the wind will really push the truck and trailer around - especially in the mountains. I also find the 6.2L and the 5.3L start starving for air at high altitudes under heavy loads.

That F250 was a very wise choice. Just do oil changes more often than not and use high-end motor oil - seeing motor failures around 300k.

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Problably a wise choice for you I tow nothing with my 2017 1500 . Just ran to South Carolina from North Dakota last month.i drive fast and pass hard. The 6.2 averaged 19.5 on the cheapest gas I could buy. Ethanol. Love this engine. Good luck and happy trails. Ed k

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